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worldclubber May 1, 2023 3:47 am


Originally Posted by Patrickschmidt (Post 35214982)
Breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Thanks for the information!

Edit: The food (not the wine list!) doesn't look too bad at all, let's see how Kaefer delivers.

Just one major reservation: I have never liked the limitation "real non-breakfast food only after 11" and cannot say I am not disappointed this is still part of the new concept.

Jensens May 1, 2023 3:58 am


Originally Posted by worldclubber (Post 35215029)
Thanks for the information!

Doesn't look too bad at all, let's see how Kaefer delivers.

Just one major reservation: I have never liked the limitation "real non-breakfast food only after 11" and cannot say I am not disappointed this is still part of the new concept.

I agree, menu looks good, agree also to the limitation which is a bit at odds with the place, catering for travelers coming from/going to all those different time zones.

daumueller May 1, 2023 4:47 am

Also. That wine list… not great

R2 May 1, 2023 5:07 am


Originally Posted by daumueller (Post 35215085)
Also. That wine list… not great

+1 That wine list is so out-of-place in a proper First Class lounge.

daumueller May 1, 2023 5:11 am


Originally Posted by R2 (Post 35215110)
+1 That wine list is so out-of-place in a proper First Class lounge.

a lounge in the center of Germany and not even a single decent German wine… while individual taste may differ, that Riesling is probably at the far end of most preference sheets

chris63 May 1, 2023 5:27 am

It’s not impressing me so far, consider myself better off in ZRH or MUC but time will tell ;)

worldclubber May 1, 2023 6:19 am


Originally Posted by daumueller (Post 35215114)
a lounge in the center of Germany and not even a single decent German wine… while individual taste may differ, that Riesling is probably at the far end of most preference sheets

Very true. Food looks promising, but drink list stingy. Have seen better wines at SEN lounges.

NYC1 May 1, 2023 6:31 am

The wine list is terrible — no surprise there, it’s a pure $ point and Kafer can’t do magic when limited by LHG. Not serving main courses before 11 am is annoying (discussed in other threads). Hopefully, the quality of the food and service will be better.

Duck1981 May 1, 2023 6:32 am

I am nowhere near to be an expert in fine wines/ champagne etc. but my first impression of the wine list was that I could find a similar selection in the cellar section of my local Lidl

Patrickschmidt May 1, 2023 6:44 am


Originally Posted by daumueller (Post 35215085)
Also. That wine list… not great

there was much more but I didn’t have time to properly look at it. Will do it later this week unless someone else will be earlier

FLYMSY May 1, 2023 7:57 am

I think the Markowitsch Grüner might be a good choice. His wines usually score 90+ points.

daumueller May 1, 2023 8:08 am


Originally Posted by FLYMSY (Post 35215423)
I think the Markowitsch Grüner might be a good choice. His wines usually score 90+ points.

yes, but you shouldn’t have to find the ONE decent wine on a FC wine list ;)

MichielR May 1, 2023 8:14 am

All in the 10-15 EUR retail range, absolutely not worthy of a First Class lounge and a missed opportunity to make an actual improvement.

I appreciate the new caterers have been given a budget but this is definitely not a good first impression.

I hardly ever fly paid F but I'd definitely go for LX or AF.

SMK77 May 1, 2023 8:26 am


Originally Posted by Brandinho1 (Post 35214125)
Never understood the need for “some” to let everyone know that they have paid for F. As if they don’t dare redeem miles to fly F 🙄

We love the judgement here! Sometimes, F class is the better (read: more economic) choice over O class:

LH sold Full Fare F tickets from ARN to SYD via FRA and SIN return for 5,500 USD last year. I booked one LH F and three SQ F segments with this ticket. The prorated cost for FRA-SIN is about 1,400 USD. That's less than an award ticket for 111,000 LH miles and 400 USD in taxes.

For Lufthansa, Full Fare F (regardless how revenue management prices it) is the highest fare in the pecking order so it mattered for my FCT visit. I would think that most passenger there as well as on my flight were booked in Full Fare F.

SMK77 May 1, 2023 8:29 am


Originally Posted by NYC1 (Post 35215242)
The wine list is terrible — no surprise there, it’s a pure $ point and Kafer can’t do magic when limited by LHG. Not serving main courses before 11 am is annoying (discussed in other threads). Hopefully, the quality of the food and service will be better.

Disappointing is the limitation to one champagne. Do&Co had four. No rose champagne anymore...

I think the FCT has now the worst champagne offering of any First Class Lounge in the world.


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