tomvancouver

I flew FRA-YVR today on an A333 4Y operated flight and was happy with the standard of service as others have noted above.
However, my original booking, which was with LH in June was on an A340, and the older A333 I was on today (in J) had poor IFE and an uncomfortable seat, so not as good.

Maybe unrelated to the wet lease issue, but there was a 3+ hour departure delay (unfortunately favourable winds made up an hour otherwise EU261 could have kicked in), and a last minute equipment swap - a lunchtime FRA-YYZ flight was cancelled and we got their plane. There was no information as to what happened to the originally scheduled plane for our flight.

NUE_flyer

From the link above:
"MileagePlus members can earn award miles and Premier qualifying credits on eligible Eurowings Discover flights."
See also:
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ng-credit.html
4Y is even preferred partner.

curt

The seat is the same (other upholstery, but otherwise identical). The A343 is the older plane. The A333 were delivered a couple of years later to LH.

maverikbc

That's a classic example of we must not solely rely on wheretocredit.com. yes, we should always check with individual airlines especially for long haul premium tickets. Thanks!

Now when we fly partner metals of the marketing carrier, it becomes YMMV. I'm still fighting with DL for WS flights, KL ticket. My above trip is LH flights originally, now changed to 4Y, LH ticket.

cfischer

which of course, as you know, is not the same thing at all ... I am talking about the BONUS you earn only with certain JV partners.

NUE_flyer

I assume, you are talking about teh "Premier bonus award miles"??
If so, then you are right, the situation is unclear. Normally, the award bonus is listed with the partner, and it is not with Disco. While this is also true for EW, my feeling is that this may be inaccurate with 4Y - just for the reason that LH want to position them as a full-service leasure airline - not as an explicit LCC in the case of EW.
Seems like this is a question for a qualified hotline agent

ajcopley

What the heck Lufthansa?? Not sure when this switch happened, but Lufthansa replaced it's daily YVR <-> FRA nonstop service with Eurowings service, and now my Star Alliance Gold benefits are useless on this routing. When Air Canada doesn't offer the YVR <-> FRA routing (seasonal service during summer), I typically switch to flying Lufthansa for the non-stop convenience and also to at least get the Star Alliance Gold benefits (priority check-in, priority boarding, free baggage allowance, etc etc). But now with Eurowings operating this route, I don't get any of that anymore as EW isn't a Star Alliance member!!

Harper50505

I believe YVR-FRA has always been more of a leisure one than a business heavy one. As Lufthansa are currently cutting everything except executive pay and bonuses no doubt this is a cost cutting exercise.

daumueller

This happened in the fall - all Canada routes went to 4Y

HKG1111

And on Swiss all to Edelweiss in the coming summer

dkc192

The schedule currently shows that LH resumes operating FRA-YVR service on 3/26/23, at the start of the IATA summer season.

oliver2002

AC elites get all their benefits on 4Y:

https://www.eurowings-discover.com/e...ation/lounges/


Aeroplan: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...html#/airlines



Checkin: https://www.eurowings-discover.com/e...t-the-airport/



Youn mention that you are AC 100SE in your profile?

hugolover

LH swapped for EW then EW wetlease operated by BT, Court held the pax were due a full refund as the change amounted to a cancellation under EC261/2004.
https://www.drboese.de/blog/ag-erdin...ur-erstattung/

Most interesting:
"The court affirmed a claim for reimbursement, as there was a cancellation within the meaning of Article 2 lit. l of Regulation 261/2004/EC (Passenger Rights Regulation). The court affirmed this with regard to the flight number, the new seat allocation and the different departure terminal at Munich Airport. The court does not consider the submitted disadvantages in terms of catering, separation of the business class cabin and the washrooms to be relevant in the context of the question of whether a cancellation has occurred. That would only have been important in the context of a contractual right of withdrawal."

As its considered a cancellation, that would also give rights to re-routing under Article 8 at the earliest opportunity or at a later date of pax's choosing.

LH not got a leg to stand on. Duh.

Would be interesting if there is an obligation also where there is a wet-lease, at least under DE contract law.

ajcopley

Thank you! This is very helpful. Yes I'm SuperElite, so it sounds like I'll still receive most / all of the same SA Gold benefits were it a Lufthansa operated flight. This just came as a surprise to me when I was looking to book a trip to Germany (one I've done countless times in the past), expecting to find the FRA --> YVR nonstop routing on LH metal.

samplat

Ran into this on a trip from YVR we just finished. When I booked it last summer, it was LH49x flight, operated by LH. Sometime in late Oct, I noticed LH had switched it to 4Y. There was no notification and unfortunately by the time I discovered this, it was too late to cancel/switch to a different carrier as the tickets had become much more expensive.

As United *G (and I believe it’s the same for AC elites), I did get benefits such as lounge access, priority boarding, fast lane, etc. so can’t complain much there. The onboard product is OK as well.

Negatives on our trip (in random order):
- 4Y charges you for pillows, blankets. What the hell?
- Didn’t have my special meal that was requested via LH. Their only response was “You order through LH? We are 4Y and don’t have it”
- An 8 hour delay on the outbound. Probably an hour was due to weather, rest was 4Y consistently running late the whole week prior
- Delayed luggage that we are still waiting to get back 3 weeks after our trip. Apparently the 4Y tag fell off, they had also reused the baggage tag number so there was some confusion due to it, etc.
- The toilets were a mess on both flights. No toilet paper, no cleaning at all throughout the flight. Quite disgusting..
- Even though LH and 4Y are supposedly in the same group, their systems just don’t talk to each other. LH was unaware of the delays, 4Y didn’t get the meal info, they kept losing my *G number, etc.

Overall, I’d probably pass on 4Y next time around as we didn’t have the best experience, but if the ticket price is really attractive and you don’t mind the types of issues we ran into, it might be ok.

Safe travels.