Is LH playing married segments games?

Old Aug 20, 22, 11:56 am
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Is LH playing married segments games?

Hello,
I am looking to book a return ticket Middle East-FRA-LAX for September (revenue ticket) in biz. While both segments individually show availability ("J9"), the availability disappears when booking the segments as married segments.
I have not observed this happening for last 20 years (sometimes availability was off only by minor seat capacity, as per Expertflyer).
Anyone recently observed the same?
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Old Aug 20, 22, 12:32 pm
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This is normal. Happens all the time. Common for the route you mention.

Sometimes there is a way around it using codeshares and combinations thereof, such as LH/UA combos. Have you tried that?
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Originally Posted by CalFlyer View Post
Hello,
I am looking to book a return ticket Middle East-FRA-LAX for September (revenue ticket) in biz. While both segments individually show availability ("J9"), the availability disappears when booking the segments as married segments.
I have not observed this happening for last 20 years (sometimes availability was off only by minor seat capacity, as per Expertflyer).
Anyone recently observed the same?
Best,
CalFlyer
It is common normal everyday practice for at least last 5 years. Actually also earlier, but systems are now much smarter and made go-arounds almost not possible.
I think it is originally related to different pricing for different markets. And more and more smart revenue-maximising-robots.
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while in this example no help with J ... in coach LH has V available but UA codeshares (same flights) offers down to W. Always worth checking these combos.

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Old Aug 20, 22, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Raul_R View Post
It is common normal everyday practice for at least last 5 years. Actually also earlier, but systems are now much smarter and made go-arounds almost not possible.
I think it is originally related to different pricing for different markets. And more and more smart revenue-maximising-robots.
I agree that the point of married segment inventory control is to maximize revenue by market. But I understood OP to be saying that LH is showing J9 for their individual flight segments, but J0 for the entire itinerary, meaning LH won't even sell a business class ticket. Am I right? If so, that is an odd revenue-minimizing move, I'd say!

I've seen similar examples for F too. F is available on JNB-FRA and FRA-LAX, but not on JNB-LAX. That's basically telling me to go book AF or something.
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Old Aug 20, 22, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by dkc192 View Post
I agree that the point of married segment inventory control is to maximize revenue by market. But I understood OP to be saying that LH is showing J9 for their individual flight segments, but J0 for the entire itinerary, meaning LH won't even sell a business class ticket. Am I right? If so, that is an odd revenue-minimizing move, I'd say!

I've seen similar examples for F too. F is available on JNB-FRA and FRA-LAX, but not on JNB-LAX. That's basically telling me to go book AF or something.
maximizing revenue could mean that LH will get more revenue on a pure FRA-LAX flight than JNB-FRA-LAX.
buying power massively higher than in South Africa.

and LH is bound to fully sell each flight individually in F, hence 0 availability for the MS and getting more revenue.
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Old Aug 20, 22, 8:39 pm
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maximizing revenue could mean that LH will get more revenue on a pure FRA-LAX flight than JNB-FRA-LAX.
buying power massively higher than in South Africa.

and LH is bound to fully sell each flight individually in F, hence 0 availability for the MS and getting more revenue.
Yes, they are doing this more with F, very few F flights on LH now & they make it difficult unless its point to point.
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Old Aug 21, 22, 2:06 am
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Lufthansa is not playing this game, they are the evil masterminds of pricing integrity.

The easy trick to play them: stop-overs. I just bought an A fare from BUD to Asia for next to no money (by todays pricing standards) and without the stop-over it would be next to impossible to find any availability.
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Old Aug 21, 22, 8:47 am
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The stopver usually costs 100-150$ each time so bank wins in any case

Married segment control came into noticeable play sometime in 2009. Back then penalties for agents trying to outsmart the system appeared for the first time too.
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Old Aug 21, 22, 9:56 am
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The stopver usually costs 100-150$ each time so bank wins in any case

Married segment control came into noticeable play sometime in 2009. Back then penalties for agents trying to outsmart the system appeared for the first time too.
Yes. Its possible for clever travel agents to outsmart the system (although its noticeably harder than a few years ago), however they do risk being fined by LH
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Old Aug 21, 22, 10:18 am
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The stopver usually costs 100-150$ each time so bank wins in any case
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On a F ticket thats peanuts, im not aware of any Bank that would consider that a result.
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Originally Posted by dkc192 View Post
I agree that the point of married segment inventory control is to maximize revenue by market. But I understood OP to be saying that LH is showing J9 for their individual flight segments, but J0 for the entire itinerary, meaning LH won't even sell a business class ticket. Am I right? If so, that is an odd revenue-minimizing move, I'd say!

I've seen similar examples for F too. F is available on JNB-FRA and FRA-LAX, but not on JNB-LAX. That's basically telling me to go book AF or something.
I think the airlines borrowed a biblical phrase when it comes to the logic of married segments: my ways are not your ways.

Married segments are a pain and the workarounds are few if any. Some carriers even marry segments beyond just connections. The airlines have their own logic and they wouldnt be doing this if it were costing them revenue.
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Old Aug 22, 22, 1:27 am
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I feel for travel agents and how they are held hostage by Lufthansa. That's why I call the Lufthansa First Class Hotline and book all my A fares with them directly. I can throw away last segments, do cross-bookings and Lufthansa hasn't sent themselves any debit memos yet. They also haven't sent me a single letter voicing their displeasure yet. I guess they know who I am

And to be a bit more specific than oliver2002 : D and A fares don't come with silly stop-over fees. My last D fare from Europe to Asia included a total of 4 stop-overs and total price was 1.700 EUR including taxes.
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Old Aug 22, 22, 2:23 am
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Unlimted stopovers, but penalties (non refundable).



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Old Aug 22, 22, 4:27 am
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ANC is non-refundable, ARC is refundable for a fee and AFF is fully refundable without any fees.

People don't have to compromise if they are willing to pay a little bit more.
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