New qualifying points system for status from 202x [postponed]

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The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html

All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.




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Old Sep 16, 22, 4:01 pm
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They cannot introduce that new system because it does not meet their minimum complexity target.

LH only introduces new services if they are so complicated that
- Passengers cannot understand it
- LH staff cannot understand it
- LH IT cannot program it
- The service center needs (but does not get) twice as much staff to explain it.
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Old Sep 16, 22, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by LoungeLizzard View Post
They cannot introduce that new system because it does not meet their minimum complexity target....
... Although one of the aims of the proposed new system was / is its increased simplicity... An advantage, I think.
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Old Sep 21, 22, 10:43 am
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Seems we will hear in December what is changing effective Jan 2024

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/miles-and-more-plant-radikale-vereinfachung-fuer-2024

https://simpleflying.com/lufthansas-miles-more-simplification-early-2024/
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Old Sep 21, 22, 10:33 pm
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The radical simplification mentioned suggests it will be similar to what was originally presented in 2019.

Surprised to see theyre leaving the announcement until Dec.... Wasnt there a suggestion that LH wanted it wrapped up by the end of this month??...
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Old Sep 22, 22, 4:12 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerLX View Post
The radical simplification mentioned suggests it will be similar to what was originally presented in 2019.

Surprised to see theyre leaving the announcement until Dec.... Wasnt there a suggestion that LH wanted it wrapped up by the end of this month??...
Well if nothing else they have wrapped up that they want to go with it for 24.

Suppose they want to delay announcement as much as possible in case any other big global event happens in the next few months.
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Old Sep 22, 22, 5:54 am
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Just like they announced it in Nov 2019 to start in 2021, they will have to announce the start this year if they want to start in 2024. In the last blogger call they said they have to be ready by end of Q3/22 for the announcement. The talk on the bylines of the conference seems to confirm that an announcement is coming.
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Old Sep 22, 22, 6:32 am
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96 Y segments per year for SEN valid one year
Presently it's 80 segments in one year for a status valid two years

Polish political Elite will be screwed! There will be big discussions between the Sejm, Senate and Basia Towers.
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Old Sep 22, 22, 2:25 pm
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Launch in early 2024?

As per this article, the new program will launch in early (1 March?) 2024. an announcement is to be expected in December 2022, hence not much mor info…

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/miles-...hung-fuer-2024
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Old Sep 22, 22, 10:31 pm
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Originally Posted by 59Impala View Post
As per this article, the new program will launch in early (1 March?) 2024.....
Yes, has been discussed recently in other thread. My guess is that a launch in Jan 24 is likely but, yes, an announcement of the details is expected in Dec this year.

Perhaps a moderator or somebody would consider merging threads on this topic?...
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Old Sep 27, 22, 3:39 am
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I expect they will simplify the system as they had planned initially, but I am very curious to see if they take over the full inital project, taken into account the reduced business travel...
For example: qualification every year, status star conversion/taking into account the history for FTL and SEN for life,...
With my actual flying pattern, I would not be able to requalify every single year, and I would need a very, very long time to reach SEN for life. In that case it would be much easier to switch everything to e.g. Skyteam.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 4:43 am
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The intel right now is that the proposed new system will stay the same as originally designed for 2021, with some tweaks on sustainability etc.
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Old Sep 27, 22, 5:09 am
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Although there is also a suggestion that those hoping for TUN heaven may be disappointed...
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Old Sep 27, 22, 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
The intel right now is that the proposed new system will stay the same as originally designed for 2021, with some tweaks on sustainability etc.
A system which rewards a higher volume of short haul sectors rather than yield so sustainable!
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Old Sep 27, 22, 7:00 am
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The average frequent flyer doesn't indulge in segement runs anyway... The bulk goes with the flow, if the loyalty is rewarded by the airline they take it, if not they move on.
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Although there is also a suggestion that those hoping for TUN heaven may be disappointed...
Plenty of other short-haul routes which would get the intercontinental miles.
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