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oliver2002 Nov 11, 19 4:31 am

New qualifying points system for status from 2021
 
Miles and more gave Handelsblatt the details ahead of todays event, so here we go:

Status points, star points and HON Circle miles will be abolished.

Shorthaul flights will earn points:

Economy earns 5, Business earns 10 points per segment.

Longhaul flights earn:

15 in Y, 20 in PE, 50 in C, 70 in F

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points: earned with LH 'premium' (LH/LX/OS/maybe SN) and M&M integrated partners (LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : with other *A partners and EW.

Status is now only valid for a year and requires points to be earned each year:
FTL will be awarded to members with 160, half of which have to be qualifying points.
SEN need 480, again half of which have to be qualifying points.
HON need 1500 qualifying points, ie LH 'premium' and M&M integrated partner flights only.

Lifetime FTL is awarded at 7500 qualifying points
Lifetime SEN is awarded at 10000 qualifying points, but requires 10 years of SEN


Status stars, Jetfriends and SEN premium award (book any award at 150%) will be abolished.

BlueNordicSky Nov 11, 19 4:36 am

Are they really scrapping the differences between classes? This would have a huge impact on miles-runners who collected their status by flying European hops in D. This would only encourage people to book the absolutely cheapest flights possible, since P would now be no different than the more expensive classes.

lefrid Nov 11, 19 4:40 am

So no EUR requirements and difficult for high intra european fares in Y for SEN.
M&M partners seem to be treated like LH group.
MR's not dead.

sophialite Nov 11, 19 4:43 am

Also distance doesnít matter as much? F to Dubai probably nets as many points as F to SIN?

Hydro88 Nov 11, 19 4:46 am


Originally Posted by BlueNordicSky (Post 31724084)
Are they really scrapping the differences between classes? This would have a huge impact on miles-runners who collected their status by flying European hops in D. This would only encourage people to book the absolutely cheapest flights possible, since P would now be no different than the more expensive classes.

Maybe the cheapest classes won't net any points?

lefrid Nov 11, 19 4:46 am

MR's become SR's
 
96 segments and you are SEN...

worldclubber Nov 11, 19 4:47 am

Let me add my post from the other thread here:

What the article roughly says (no guarantee it is actually true):

All flight segments will get us points:

short-haul: 5 (Y/PE), 10 (J/F)
long-haul: 15/20/50/70 (Y/PE/J/F)

Status thresholds:
FTL: 160 (min 80 on LH Group)
SEN: 480 (min 240 on LH Group)
HON: 1500 (all on LH Group)
per year!

If true, it closes many loopholes and devalues F-cabin tickets, particularly booking class F.

HONs will need 22 F-cabin segments a year or 30 J-cabin segments a year to stay HON. (minus points from feeders and short-haul)
SEN will probably be about as difficult as before, but only for one year and thus less attractive.

Apparently SEN benefits such as the Senator Premium Award will be scrapped.

If true, again, the new system would not have a revenue component at all, which would be a huge huge surprise.

Marcin83 Nov 11, 19 4:47 am

But correct me if I am wrong. The new system (which is not that bad at all) has nothing to do with revenue based system... Itīs just a different system of status miles accural.

oliver2002 Nov 11, 19 4:47 am

Curious on the finer points. Surely there must be a distance component. The big release event to HON etc is today at 18:30 in FRA, but I think they will do a press event in the afternoon. SleepOverGreenland and Flying Lawyer will join me at the evening event today. We will post here as soon as possible.

worldclubber Nov 11, 19 4:48 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31724074)
Lifetime FTL is awarded at 7500 qualifying points
Lifetime SEN is awarded at 10000 qualifying points, but requires 10 years of SEN

Will be interesting to see how LH IT will convert all my flights so far into qualifying points. ;)

worldclubber Nov 11, 19 4:49 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31724111)
Curious on the finer points. Surely there must be a distance component.

There must be some footnotes, such as "no points for light" fares etc.

sophialite Nov 11, 19 4:52 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 31724111)
Curious on the finer points. Surely there must be a distance component. The big release event to HON etc is today at 18:30 in FRA, but I think they will do a press event in the afternoon. SleepOverGreenland and Flying Lawyer will join me at the evening event today. We will post here as soon as possible.

Yes itís strange. System closes some loopholes and opens others.

f4freeJunior Nov 11, 19 4:58 am

Will the current status star points be converted 1:1? They say they will consider it to lifetime status accrual.

8420PR Nov 11, 19 5:00 am

It looks to be a copy and paste of AF/KL Flying Blue. If the system is so simple as presented above, then HON becomes possible with 12.5 intercontinental business class return flights per year (including feeder flights). I also agree it will be interesting to see the finer points - it does feel a bit too generous, with no differentiation between cheap and expensive tickets/booking classes.

BlueNordicSky Nov 11, 19 5:04 am


Originally Posted by f4freeJunior (Post 31724133)
Will the current status star points be converted 1:1? They say they will consider it to lifetime status accrual.

Let's hope they show some kind of generosity because the lifetime status requirements sound REALLY steep. Lifetime FTL status is no less than 16 years' worth of SEN status. Lifetime SEN needs 21 years' worth. Compared to other lifetime *S and *G statuses these sound really high.


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