New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
No spend requirements!!!!!
I'm returning from the future, where FT is full of newly minted SENs complaining about the new spend requirements...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by malmostoso View Post
I'm returning from the future, where FT is full of newly minted SENs complaining about the new spend requirements...
just thought the same - everybody is salivating about the new opportunities - and then enhancements start to kick in
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by malmostoso View Post
I'm returning from the future, where FT is full of newly minted SENs complaining about the new spend requirements...
Correct. I will try to requal for SEN in 2020 for a validity of Feb 2024 to see how the dust settles
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by hugolover View Post

I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
Some years ago it was possible.
Maybe you can still find such flights, but it is very unlikely.
I usually pays 50-120 EUR OW.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
They clearly said that the total amount of hon/Sen/FTL stay the same, but there will be shift within.
Thanks so much for all the updates, it's very helpful and interesting.

Personally I think it's too good to be true, given I'm largely a P traveller who struggles to reach Senator some years (but now will meet the 480 fairly easily), but it seems a hybrid of the NZ scheme (albeit that has a credit card link which helps with status) and BA's tier points.I doubt the M&M numbers will stay that static, I'm trying to work out who will lose out.

[As an aside, BA doesn't offer Lifetime Silver, so an interesting difference].
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:22 pm
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Oliver, I guess you are sipping a well deserved glass of champagne. Try to get off-the-record info...:-)
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:26 pm
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https://onemileatatime.com/lufthansa...-more-changes/
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:32 pm
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*Almost* like Flying Blue. Flying Blue has several buckets for long haul. Below 3000 miles, 3000-5000 miles and >5000 miles. Flying Paris-Santiago de Chile gives more XPs (status points) than flying Paris-Tunis.

What I haven't heard so far but am *really* afraid of is dynamic award pricing. On the earning side Flying Blue isn't half bad when you're in the top tiers, but only if you can availability for low-priced awards. Trouble is, they sometimes go absolutely nuts on pricing awards astronomically. For instance, when you're Platinum you can easily earn 56.000 miles for a return Europe-NYC if your ticket has been an expensive one. You can spend it on many 6,000 miles awards between European cities. But the day you want to do a one-way in Business to Hong Kong and it costs 566,000 miles one-way or 1,132,000 return (no kidding, more than a million miles for a return ticket in business class), then you think they are mad. I just hope M&M won't go there.

But all in all it sounds like changes only to the status structure. From what I read I can live with it. I need slightly less EUR-Germany/Switzerland-NYC First Class tickets than before, and about 25% more short haul Euro J class tickets. On the other hand, Y tickets - which I do take in Europe For about 30% of my trips - do count, so that may offset part of the increase.

I am not happy, but I am not in panic mode. As long as they keep HON benefits and don't change the earn/spend mechanics I'm fine.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:32 pm
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The Status Star points are based on status duration, irrespective of which airlines one flew with.

Will they just be converted into qualifying points?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:38 pm
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After absolutely punishing low fare class travellers for so long, Iím shocked to see them going this direction... and opening themselves up to such arbitrage opportunities seems bizarre.

I think theyíre shooting themselves in the foot here and will open the floodgates to SEN and HON. But what would I know? Lol.. it does feel like itís been done with zero community consultation though.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by worldclubber View Post
The Status Star points are based on status duration, irrespective of which airlines one flew with.

Will they just be converted into qualifying points?
It would be interesting to know what information about flights they have for the past. If they still have every single flight stored then recalculation would be easy. If they only have totals per year (or something similar) they would need some easier way of calculation.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:44 pm
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They switched to the LPS database in 2012 before that the system ran on the same mainframe from 1990. They have a lot of data, just do a privacy request and you will how much they have on you.

The status star points thing was just a rule of thumb they discovered while analysing the data they have. If you have enough status star points to get three stars you should also have enough lifetime qualifying points to get LT FTL.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by vantage03 View Post
After absolutely punishing low fare class travellers for so long, Iím shocked to see them going this direction... and opening themselves up to such arbitrage opportunities seems bizarre.

I think theyíre shooting themselves in the foot here and will open the floodgates to SEN and HON. But what would I know? Lol.. it does feel like itís been done with zero community consultation though.
There must be a gotcha somewhere. There is no way this can go live like this.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by vantage03 View Post
After absolutely punishing low fare class travellers for so long, Iím shocked to see them going this direction... and opening themselves up to such arbitrage opportunities seems bizarre.

I think theyíre shooting themselves in the foot here and will open the floodgates to SEN and HON. But what would I know? Lol.. it does feel like itís been done with zero community consultation though.
Not exactly. IMO, if they make the program more atractive (easier to get status), they'll get more M&M members and by forcing people to travel with LH group (so they canget status) they might increase their costumer's numbers. Obviously you can cheat the system and just book the cheapest fares but many people won't think about that possibility.

It's a bit of a gamble for them but they can always change the rules if they find that it's not working the way they expected
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Old Nov 11, 19, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by vantage03 View Post
After absolutely punishing low fare class travellers for so long, Iím shocked to see them going this direction... and opening themselves up to such arbitrage opportunities seems bizarre.

I think theyíre shooting themselves in the foot here and will open the floodgates to SEN and HON. But what would I know? Lol.. it does feel like itís been done with zero community consultation though.

They did a number of events with customers over the past year to hear what exactly the pain point was. The " punishment" of P and K customers was a major point they wanted to address. Twenty rules for getting status points on each flight was beyond the common users scope to understand.
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