Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Nov 11, 2019, 11:01 am
#91
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Bergen - Norway
Programs: EBD , FBG
Posts: 558
Nov 11, 2019, 11:01 am
#92
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 682
Will there be any executive bonus?
I presume that the lowered award miles earnings are here to stay?
I presume that the lowered award miles earnings are here to stay?
Nov 11, 2019, 11:04 am
#94
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,551
SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:05 am
#96
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Cologne
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 972
Nov 11, 2019, 11:08 am
#97
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:08 am
#98
Formerly known as koeche
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Switzerland
Programs: LX HON, QR Plat, Hilton Diamond, Windows 11, Adobe Creative Suite
Posts: 333
SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...
FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.
I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:11 am
#99
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 682
300 is nothing, there was a 19 year old guy in Norway that did 800 legs domestic Norway during 180 days. Think that SAS awarded him with a Pandion membership, as PR.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:12 am
#100
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: BRU
Programs: Miles&More SEN; ITA Premium, Asante Gold, IHG Platinum, BAEC Bronze, Accor Silver, Radisson Premier
Posts: 270
I should really know the answer to this....
Nov 11, 2019, 11:13 am
#101
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,132
No exec bonus.
K light will get the same as Y flex in short haul.
Soft landing for a year.
Airrail and express bus will count but is capped.
K light will get the same as Y flex in short haul.
Soft landing for a year.
Airrail and express bus will count but is capped.
Nov 11, 2019, 11:14 am
#102
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,132
Time for a completely stupid question, but as Google is not being cooperative on this, I'll give it a whirl. How, erm, would one find out the IATA regions as will be applied to this? Could I just look at the current M&M zones for redemptions?
I should really know the answer to this....
I should really know the answer to this....
Nov 11, 2019, 11:18 am
#104
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Nov 11, 2019, 11:18 am
#105
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,551
I absolutely agree. I am pointing out the theoretical possibility. It didn't exist before. It's truly a segment programme now and really rewards your typical frequent Y traveller who goes home each weekend with SEN.
This will make a lot of people SEN. Previously you needed minimum 80 B/M/Y segments but those are really expensive and I imagine a lot of people missed it, or took additional trips to get over the line.
SEN for 96 segments. Now that is pretty much what I have flown the past few years except I am crediting the off year to another *G.
Typical chap who does four flights a week Y gets 208 flights. Mix in another 23 returns via a hub and they are HON. If this was a C flyer, half it , before this got him precisely zilch except SEN. Never enough HON miles.
Such intensive flyers really do exist!
This will make a lot of people SEN. Previously you needed minimum 80 B/M/Y segments but those are really expensive and I imagine a lot of people missed it, or took additional trips to get over the line.
SEN for 96 segments. Now that is pretty much what I have flown the past few years except I am crediting the off year to another *G.
Typical chap who does four flights a week Y gets 208 flights. Mix in another 23 returns via a hub and they are HON. If this was a C flyer, half it , before this got him precisely zilch except SEN. Never enough HON miles.
Such intensive flyers really do exist!