New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:01 pm
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I'm sitting bored in the La Premiere lounge. Someone give me news on this please.
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Bored?? How’s the lounge? Did you try the food?
Try the Montecarlo style baba with rum
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:01 pm
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Will there be any executive bonus?

I presume that the lowered award miles earnings are here to stay?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:03 pm
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If I reach Status in December 2021, will it be Valid till Feb 2022 or Feb 2023?
Qualification in December 2021 => status until February 2023
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:04 pm
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SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.

And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...

FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.

I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by A380*G View Post
Will there be any executive bonus?

I presume that the lowered award miles earnings are here to stay?
No bonus.

Award miles stay the same.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
Integrated M&M airlines including LO/LG/OU and EW/SN.
so EW counts the same as LH?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by hugolover View Post
SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.

And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...

FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.

I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
If I had to do 300 segments on any airline in any class in one year I would seriously consider going bungee jumping with a chord of questionable quality.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by hugolover View Post
SEN 960 EUR. Previously unachievable for such a low, low amount.

And of course HON for 3000 EUR. 300 domestic segments...

FTL 320 EUR. Effective increase is 340 EUR though. As you could do 30 segments at 10 EUR each for double the new validity.

I base this on a typical PL domestic costing 10 EUR.
I don't think the price is the main issue here. First, go ahead and fly those 300 domestic segments... in one year...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:11 pm
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I don't think the price is the main issue here. First, go ahead and fly those 300 domestic segments... in one year...
300 is nothing, there was a 19 year old guy in Norway that did 800 legs domestic Norway during 180 days. Think that SAS awarded him with a Pandion membership, as PR.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:12 pm
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Kont is indeed same IATA region. So a United flight from SFO to NYC in F ist 10 points. But MUC FRA in K gives 5.
Time for a completely stupid question, but as Google is not being cooperative on this, I'll give it a whirl. How, erm, would one find out the IATA regions as will be applied to this? Could I just look at the current M&M zones for redemptions?

I should really know the answer to this....
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:13 pm
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No exec bonus.

K light will get the same as Y flex in short haul.

Soft landing for a year.

Airrail and express bus will count but is capped.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:14 pm
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Time for a completely stupid question, but as Google is not being cooperative on this, I'll give it a whirl. How, erm, would one find out the IATA regions as will be applied to this? Could I just look at the current M&M zones for redemptions?

I should really know the answer to this....
Roughly the same as M&M regions.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:15 pm
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No exec bonus.
No bonus is very disappointing. Please tell them to rethink.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:18 pm
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Originally Posted by A380*G View Post
Will there be any executive bonus?
That's what I was wondering about too...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 12:18 pm
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I absolutely agree. I am pointing out the theoretical possibility. It didn't exist before. It's truly a segment programme now and really rewards your typical frequent Y traveller who goes home each weekend with SEN.

This will make a lot of people SEN. Previously you needed minimum 80 B/M/Y segments but those are really expensive and I imagine a lot of people missed it, or took additional trips to get over the line.

SEN for 96 segments. Now that is pretty much what I have flown the past few years except I am crediting the off year to another *G.

Typical chap who does four flights a week Y gets 208 flights. Mix in another 23 returns via a hub and they are HON. If this was a C flyer, half it , before this got him precisely zilch except SEN. Never enough HON miles.

Such intensive flyers really do exist!
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