Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Nov 21, 2019, 10:17 pm
#646
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 1,941
It was one of the three leading strategy consulting firms. Happened twice a year when the German Partners would all want to use the same flight to our global Partner meeting.
Similar bumping scenes affecting status holders I only observe on the 7am EK flight DXB-RUH where everybody is Platinum or Gold, and the Silvers bite the dust.
Similar bumping scenes affecting status holders I only observe on the 7am EK flight DXB-RUH where everybody is Platinum or Gold, and the Silvers bite the dust.
Nov 22, 2019, 4:34 am
#647
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: Eurostar Carte Blanche, SBB-CFF-FFS GA-AG, SNCF Grand Voyageur LeClub
Posts: 7,836
How did they deal with spouses acoompanying the partners to their worlwide meeting once a year? I suspect spouses of HONs all had SEN cards. Were they left behind?
Nov 22, 2019, 8:50 am
#648
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: BCN/SIN
Programs: SEN**, Ex TK Elite+, Ex IB Sapphire, Hyatt Gold, Bonvoy, Meliá Platinum
Posts: 649
Adria was a public company until 2016 belonging to an ex communist country. After that it was sold to a restructuring fund. I am not an expert in finance but i wouldn't touch an Airline that was sold a few years ago to a restructuring fund, specially when it used to be a public company.
You are comparing apples and oranges here.
You are comparing apples and oranges here.
It was not an East European country nor it is on the Balkans, first because it is central Europe and second because the Balkans start south of the bourder with river Sava, already in Croatia.
The story of Adria is a little more complex as lots of people think and this threat is for Lufthansa not Adria.
Have a nice day!
Nov 22, 2019, 9:02 am
#649
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
Ive read the whole thread and this seems worse
what am I missing?
Nov 22, 2019, 3:06 pm
#650
Join Date: Jan 2011
Programs: oneworld, * Alliance, Marriott Bonvoy, HHonors, WoH
Posts: 2,120
You missing the numbers. Each TXL-LAX return with connection in FRA or MUC in business gives 120(10+50+50+10)QPs and it will take 4 round trips to achieve or re-qualify for SEN.
Nov 22, 2019, 7:58 pm
#651
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Cyprus
Programs: LH SEN, A3*G, TK*G E+, ALL/Accor Plat
Posts: 644
In my case, I intend to qualify for SEN with a cheap Egyptair Z business return from TXL via CAI and 7 P class returns LCA -TXL via FRA/MUC/VIE (which currently cost only €390 if booked in advance). The total cost will be just over €4,000 and will not involve any MR activity whatsoever. At present, this would not be sufficient to requalify for FTL!
Last edited by johnirvine; Nov 22, 2019 at 8:08 pm
Nov 22, 2019, 8:28 pm
#652
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
Nov 23, 2019, 12:29 am
#653
Join Date: May 2008
Location: ARN
Posts: 3,470
It's correct than 10 intercontinental flights in C will give you 500. But 10 intercontinental flights are 5 intercontinental round-trips. Also, since there is no TXL-LAX flight, you will need to connect via a hub, like FRA or MUC, so you also need to add the connecting flights to the calculation.
Nov 23, 2019, 2:25 am
#654
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
I wish they would be clear in the calculator that TXL-MUC-LAX-MUC-FRA is actually TWO international business flights and TWO continental flights. The way they have it now you have to plug in 8 J Intercontinental, 8 J Continental to get to SEN. But I trust you, I figure the much more experienced people on the thread would have spontaneously combusted in the thread if indeed we were required to fly 10 RT in J to get SEN.
Thank you for the clarification, RedChili
Thank you for the clarification, RedChili
Nov 23, 2019, 5:23 am
#655
Join Date: May 2008
Location: ARN
Posts: 3,470
I think it's quite clear when you click on "What does intercontinental mean?" on the calculator:
All passengers don't necessarily fly round-trip in the same class. Some passengers will e.g. feel that it's worth more to pay for business class on a night flight compared to a daytime flight. Also, some passengers will only fly on one-way tickets.
All passengers don't necessarily fly round-trip in the same class. Some passengers will e.g. feel that it's worth more to pay for business class on a night flight compared to a daytime flight. Also, some passengers will only fly on one-way tickets.
Nov 23, 2019, 5:25 am
#656
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
Well that settles that. Doesn't seem so bad I guess. Thanks RedChili
Nov 23, 2019, 7:04 am
#657
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: VIE, TYO, CAX
Programs: LH-SEN
Posts: 104
And those 4 can be in P, rather than Z which would have been necessary before - and I can’t think of any sensible routing that would have got you to SEN from 3 trips, not even in D/C/J.
Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 am
#658
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
Thanks! 4 trips is a win I think. Except for the status bonus loss this program seems better streamlined.
Nov 23, 2019, 9:13 am
#659
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: GVA,OPO
Programs: BD the last decent FFP
Posts: 1,856
Example of the route being discussed (TXL-FRA-LAX). Below the comparison between old and new rules for the same period (2yrs). TXL-FRA-AX is 1 flight for the below comparison - points and miles consider are adjusted to that).
The result is somewhere between 23% and 129% more flights needed for the same SEN status (2yrs)
Nov 23, 2019, 9:21 am
#660
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berlin
Programs: AA EXP, Lifetime Platinum, 2.6M
Posts: 177
Yeah, but in comparison to other FF programs they dont require spend which can be an onerous requirement. Two years to collect status is great but lets be honest - those days are gone. Everywhere.