Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Nov 11, 2019, 6:38 am
#46
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Yeah I’m mixture of SF, East Coast (but can adjust mixture at my discretion), Africa, India, less so East Asia. And once or twice to Latin America as well.
Nov 11, 2019, 6:40 am
#47
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What's the definition of a long haul flight under these rules?
Nov 11, 2019, 7:21 am
#50
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What's the definition of a long haul flight under these rules?
Is FRA-TLV on a narrowbody A320 shorthaul? But is ZRH-TLV in a widebody plane with lie-flat seats (if not substituted) then longhaul?
FRA-TLV is longer than ZRH-TLV.
Nov 11, 2019, 7:30 am
#51
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LH talk is Kont and Interkont. LH 400-799 counts as interkont, ie longhaul. The middle east and north African destinations (6xx) sort of fudge that ppicture as they are operated with A32S nowadays.
Nov 11, 2019, 7:42 am
#52
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The more I think about it the more I think I like this new accrual methodology. I still despise east coast to EU flights in F because they’re too short, but at least they earn the same number of QPs as an F flight to the west coast, and I’m all for less time in the air.
Nov 11, 2019, 7:54 am
#53
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While flying to FRA to attend this event I just did the math on how much my 97800 SM this year would have been in the new Handelsblatt system: 255 P and about 245 QP, so I just about make SEN for the same amount of money & flying. Yes there are good P & A deals out there, but not everyone flies to KBP to fly a cheap fare.
just to be sure - could you ask whether the qualification criteria actually mean 480 pts OR 240 qual pts vs. 480 pts AND 240 qual pts. per the Handelsblatt criteria?
Nov 11, 2019, 7:57 am
#54
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So cheapest eco K (eg 10€) will score 5 points, while highest J fare (eg 700€) will score 10 points, while bringing 70 times more revenue????
Nov 11, 2019, 8:11 am
#56
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Your typical Polish Parliamentarian can renew SEN for two years based on 80 full Y segments in one year. 1250 including Exec Bonus.
Now it will be 96 per year... eek.
And away from the political class, there must be a lot of SEN who fly B/M/Y fares who are good customers to LH group who need to fly, theoretically 2.4 times as much over those two years.
It doesn’t seem possible that these new rules favour cheap fares in the same compartment and MR flyers.
Now it will be 96 per year... eek.
And away from the political class, there must be a lot of SEN who fly B/M/Y fares who are good customers to LH group who need to fly, theoretically 2.4 times as much over those two years.
It doesn’t seem possible that these new rules favour cheap fares in the same compartment and MR flyers.
Nov 11, 2019, 8:12 am
#57
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Right now as far as I understand its 480 points, at least half of which has to be qualifying points (earned on LH premium (LH/LX/OS) and/or OU/LG). So in my example I would have 490 points total of which 255 are qualifying points.
Nov 11, 2019, 8:15 am
#58
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Nov 11, 2019, 8:19 am
#59
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Does this advice come at a cost? Why pay for it when it's free on FT??!!?
Nov 11, 2019, 8:23 am
#60
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Well I am very eager to hear the detail. It will go down like a cup of cold sick in Warsaw with the “Germans imposing this on the Poles”.
Especially today being 11/11. Great PR!
Especially today being 11/11. Great PR!