Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Nov 16, 2019, 11:13 am
#527
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I think this must be a April's Day Fool. It is highly unlikely that Lufthansa will eliminate the revenue part for status accrual. This new policy opens the door to all sorts of mileage runs.
One example:
DXB-BOS roundtrip in Business Class on the cheapest booking class on LH yields 200 points (4 longhaul segments). One needs just 2 roundtrips + find another 80 points (e.g. a DXB-FRA roundtrip in C) to achieve Senator status.
I cannot believe it.
One example:
DXB-BOS roundtrip in Business Class on the cheapest booking class on LH yields 200 points (4 longhaul segments). One needs just 2 roundtrips + find another 80 points (e.g. a DXB-FRA roundtrip in C) to achieve Senator status.
I cannot believe it.
Not even UA has gone to that level of ridiculousness. Sounds like LH Sen will soon be flooded with el cheapo customers whereas those who fly last minute on expensive intra-EU fares are being hosed. How this will be working for LH ... no idea
Nov 16, 2019, 11:29 am
#528
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There definitely are people who are crazy enough and have done the math. Gunning it immediately as 2021 begins and collecting those Morocco/Tunisia/Egypt/Israel trips. Some months and 10K later, get HON, after which you have until February 2023 to try to get your money's worth and drink the FCT/FCL dry, with short Euro city hops in K 2-3 times a month.
Nov 16, 2019, 12:48 pm
#529
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Well, actually eight(4480TP) or nine round-trips to qualify(5040TP) with out BA segments and five or six to re-qualify, depending the amount of TPs on BA flights. If someone has time,money and will, it is his/her hobby by the end of the day.
Nov 16, 2019, 12:54 pm
#530
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Crusher, and how exactly is that different than today? A biz fare BOS-FRA can yield what about 10k, each way? FRA -DXB about 5k?, so roughly 25 to 30k for a RT? So you do that about 4 times give or take and you are SEN for two years. So now you do it twice and you are almost SEN, for a year, double that and you are for almost two years. No real difference.
Nov 16, 2019, 1:50 pm
#531
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exactly. This sounds like the stupidest thing LH has done in a while. Super cheap P fares are the same as full fare J or F? $2k same as $20k spent?
Not even UA has gone to that level of ridiculousness. Sounds like LH Sen will soon be flooded with el cheapo customers whereas those who fly last minute on expensive intra-EU fares are being hosed. How this will be working for LH ... no idea
Not even UA has gone to that level of ridiculousness. Sounds like LH Sen will soon be flooded with el cheapo customers whereas those who fly last minute on expensive intra-EU fares are being hosed. How this will be working for LH ... no idea
Nov 16, 2019, 2:51 pm
#532
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I'll be one. I make at least 8 RT TATL trips a year. The only disappointment for me is that the new program starts 1/2021 instead of 2020.
Nov 16, 2019, 2:59 pm
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I agree with the above. I'd be happy if it started Jan 1, 2020. I would fly heavy on LH and partners for the next few years and secure my Lifetime status, instead I will just do the minimum until this new scheme launches. They really missed a trick here.
Nov 16, 2019, 4:19 pm
#534
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Yeah, I hear the hobby argument, but fingers-crossed young Greta doesn't
Though perhaps sitting in narrow-body aircraft for 32 consecutive 4+hour sectors might vaccinate a hobbyist out of air travel ......
Nov 16, 2019, 6:00 pm
#535
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Kimchi gold?
...does Air Koryo have an FFP?
so FRA-DXB-BOS-DXB-BOS-DXB-FRA = SEN? Any idea how much that could cost?
...does Air Koryo have an FFP?
exactly. This sounds like the stupidest thing LH has done in a while. Super cheap P fares are the same as full fare J or F? $2k same as $20k spent?
Not even UA has gone to that level of ridiculousness. Sounds like LH Sen will soon be flooded with el cheapo customers whereas those who fly last minute on expensive intra-EU fares are being hosed. How this will be working for LH ... no idea
Not even UA has gone to that level of ridiculousness. Sounds like LH Sen will soon be flooded with el cheapo customers whereas those who fly last minute on expensive intra-EU fares are being hosed. How this will be working for LH ... no idea
Nov 16, 2019, 7:10 pm
#536
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They had to give a decent notice period, as it is with just over a year to go, HON’s needed special transitional rules.
Nov 16, 2019, 7:12 pm
#537
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I agree with you, I don’t trust EB. I reached LT gold some time back, but am not confident about the program or the airline. Remember that back in 2013 SAS had to be bailed out by the state, in Obama-Wall street fashion. Who says it won’t happen again?
The lounges they have (which are decent) are always packed because Scandinavians travel much, so suddenly they’ll make some changes that nobody saw coming.
The best thing we can we can do is to not get emotionally attached to something as silly as a FFP, because they can change them whenever they want. Just as we are currently witnessing with LH.
Heck, the lounges are so packed these days anyways, it’s better to sit by the gate with a good book and a bottle of whiskey
The lounges they have (which are decent) are always packed because Scandinavians travel much, so suddenly they’ll make some changes that nobody saw coming.
The best thing we can we can do is to not get emotionally attached to something as silly as a FFP, because they can change them whenever they want. Just as we are currently witnessing with LH.
Heck, the lounges are so packed these days anyways, it’s better to sit by the gate with a good book and a bottle of whiskey
Nov 16, 2019, 7:29 pm
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At the hubs, FRA, MUC, ZRH & even VIE
Nov 16, 2019, 7:48 pm
#539
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Disagree. How many people will position themselves in Tunisia or Cairo to spend 2k and fly 3 times a return journey?? 50? 100? Not anymore. Also this system works with BA. Can’t see why not with LH. A cheap P fare is not the same as J or F fares as you mentioned but they are a poor value to reach a higher status. It’s exactly the same with BA. London to Vancouver return in F can be for example 12k and to get like 420tp. On the same time the Bucharest to US fare will max stop overs is about 1.2k and gets you more than 1.000tp.
This just doesn’t seem to be in line with LHs business model and it incentivizes connections and cheap fares over more direct expensive ones ... don’t tell those who care about the environment ...
Nov 16, 2019, 8:04 pm
#540
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This is where HON is absolutely worth a lot, plenty of space in a nice environment to work, relax, eat & drink quality food & beverages, with competent staff directly at hand in case of irrops & those do happen last minute sometimes, makes the need to fly so much easier all round.
At the hubs, FRA, MUC, ZRH & even VIE
At the hubs, FRA, MUC, ZRH & even VIE
I also consider them an anomaly for the usual traveler, even for people traveling a lot. For the usual traveler, airports today are becoming congested and exhausting. The good old days are gone.