New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:06 am
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This doesn't seem right as it's actually easier to attain status?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:09 am
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This is bizarre. Biggest surprise for me is not having a spend requirement and all classes earning the same. This creates a bunch of opportunities I'm pretty sure were not intended.
I think the system will never be implemented as it is printed in the Handelsblatt (but as a few have mentioned let's see the full footnotes and terms and conditions of all the "offer')

On a personal note, my FTL just increased by 113%. It went from 30 segments every 2 years to 64. And as I was crediting mostly K,L,T fares it seems in my case I'm correctly weeded out by the new system.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:10 am
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Originally Posted by vantage03 View Post
This doesn't seem right as it's actually easier to attain status?
Don‘t forget that qualification is now for one year only.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:19 am
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Originally Posted by Raul_R View Post
Re-calculated my this year flights so far and got 2050 points. At least 120 points to come until end of year.

Actually new system, IF it is as described, will be cheaper to earn status...
2040 here. Still takes quite the effort. On the plus side, if you qualified for HON this year next year can be a legit dead year as HON points earned in 2020 won’t count for much unless you can do the full 600k in 12 months. I might just shop around next year, and qualify for HON again in 2021 in my final HON year under the old system.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:40 am
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If they introduce this new system in 2021, and I habe extended my SEN status until 2022 how does it behave in this case?
Is 2021 the new system earning in place or do I start from 2022?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:50 am
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Sure doing six of a DXB-FRA-MUC-BOS for €3K in P class yielding 240 tier points each can't be sustainable? If you thought HNL tier point runs on the BA forum for GGL were easy, this brings HON to a different level.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:54 am
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I would like to know where they'll draw the line for short vs long-haul flights. These changes might work better for me than the previous program but that line will make the difference (provided all fares will earn the same)
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:13 am
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I very much doubt that this is the final version of the programme. Seems far too simplistic and open to all kind of arbitrage. There will probably be differences according to distance. But it seems that M&M goes down the same route of FB (which distinguishes by distance and class of service). Wonder how they will transfer past status miles into points for life-time qualification.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:15 am
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FB has rollover tier points, LH has not published yet information about would it be or not.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:25 am
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Abolishing Jetfriends? What will it mean? My kids miles will suddenly expire?
I can't wait for more info on the lifetime statuses and conversion of stars into them...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:30 am
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Shorthaul flights will earn points:

Economy earns 5, Business earns 10 points per segment.

Longhaul flights earn:

15 in Y, 20 in PE, 50 in C, 70 in F
I think this must be a April's Day Fool. It is highly unlikely that Lufthansa will eliminate the revenue part for status accrual. This new policy opens the door to all sorts of mileage runs.

One example:
DXB-BOS roundtrip in Business Class on the cheapest booking class on LH yields 200 points (4 longhaul segments). One needs just 2 roundtrips + find another 80 points (e.g. a DXB-FRA roundtrip in C) to achieve Senator status.
I cannot believe it.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:33 am
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In addition:
I see that OTP-MUC-PVG roundtrip in Business Class is offered for EUR 1250.
One trip gets me (10+50+50+10=) 120 points.
So I just need 4 of such roundtrips a year.
I could make a Senator (480 points) for close to EUR 5000.

This cannot be true.

In my eyes there must be a fare class component built into the calculation.
e.g. fare class C nets 100%; but fare class P just 50% of the calculated points;
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:33 am
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The more I think about it the more I think I like this new accrual methodology. I still despise east coast to EU flights in F because they’re too short, but at least they earn the same number of QPs as an F flight to the west coast, and I’m all for less time in the air.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:37 am
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Originally Posted by sophialite View Post
The more I think about it the more I think I like this new accrual methodology. I still despise east coast to EU flights in F because they’re too short, but at least they earn the same number of QPs as an F flight to the west coast, and I’m all for less time in the air.
Yes but unless you’re flying for a MR, which I assume you’re not.. you still gotta go where you gotta go.

I generally fly to Asia and US West Coast. West Coast F flights are more expensive than East Coast. I think we haven’t got all the details yet as it just doesn’t seem right.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:38 am
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Guys, guys.... breathe. Slowly. Steadily.

Let's wait for the formal announcement with all the details and rules. Clearly, many things are still missing here.

We can then discuss the merits of the new system once it's officially known.
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