New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:06 am
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Re-calculated my this year flights so far and got 2050 points. At least 120 points to come until end of year.

Actually new system, IF it is as described, will be cheaper to earn status...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:11 am
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Also what is the incentive for a lifetime SEN and unable to make HON, to continue flying LH?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:15 am
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Quick question: If I fly 15x FRA-TUN-FRA in booking class P, I will be HON in 2 weeks and with ~10k in Revenue? Something must be missing here ;-)
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:18 am
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I've just calculated my own travel this year. Lots of P fares and some N fares, with plenty of intra-EU Y, but I would end up around 480 points with well over 50% on LH group. Compared to now, where I have 54,000 status miles and nowhere near SEN status, I could actually make it to SEN under this new system. I'm waiting for the catches...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by f4freeJunior View Post
Also what is the incentive for a lifetime SEN and unable to make HON, to continue flying LH?
??? Do you fly in order to reach a certain status?

Lifetime SEN will give you benefits and thus make flying LH more enjoyable, you also earn miles that you can then redeem.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:22 am
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Originally Posted by f4freeJunior View Post
Also what is the incentive for a lifetime SEN and unable to make HON, to continue flying LH?
Status is only worthwhile when you fly the airline/alliance you have status on.

The question should be: Why wouldn't you continue to fly LH?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:25 am
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Something seems to be missing here. If I fly 47 one-way flights in J-class I have given LH 950 x 47 => 45k in pure revenue (taxes already deducted) and yet I wouldn't get a gold card.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:30 am
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Thanks Oliver for the news!

IMO quite a strange move. Let's see how this will change the nature of (status) earning and how the spending side of the program will change.

Regarding existing (long-term) members - the customer base - it will be crucial if past earning will somehow play a role in lifetime status. If lifetime can only be earned by future points earning, a HUGE number of customers will be VERY angry. If there will be some evaluation of past loyality to be transfered into consideration, what can possibly go wrong here... ;-)
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:37 am
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Thanks oliver2002,

To obtain lifetime Sen status it only counts from the moment this new system is implemented?

Thanks,

pd just seen ralfkrippner has asked the same, sorry
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by more4less View Post
To obtain lifetime Sen status it only counts from the moment this new system is implemented?
No. According to the article in the Handelblatt I alerted Oliver2002 to, our previous activity will be honored.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:42 am
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So P class to be the new A class? Surely 15 relatively cheap business class returns can't give HON? That's a massive devaluation. Tier point running to and from BOS or DXB, via FRA, MUC and ZRH for an extra short-haul connection?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:45 am
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So four xxx-FRA-US/Asia roundtrips in cheapest economy (or one in economy and one in business) and you're a FTL?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:48 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
Curious on the finer points. Surely there must be a distance component.
Originally Posted by worldclubber View Post
There must be some footnotes, such as "no points for light" fares etc.
I would hope for at least some differentiation within the different cabin classes and based on distance, like BA are doing for example. We shall wait and see what the final word you guys get to hear tonight will be.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by Hydro88 View Post
??? Do you fly in order to reach a certain status?

Lifetime SEN will give you benefits and thus make flying LH more enjoyable, you also earn miles that you can then redeem.
Of course not. But I could continue to fly LH and earn for example 1K while still enjoying my SEN privileges.
Also I could fly more often with better Airlines than LH group.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:03 am
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This could suddenly motivate me to move my business back to Lufthansa Group, because it seems fairly similar to the new Flying Blue program. These last years, intra European business fares have been a total waste of money, no matter how cheap. So that will now change. If they do eat Alitalia, then that will suddenly become interesting too.

Any mention of domestic flights getting less points? For me, that is the one major negative about the new Flying Blue.
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