New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:23 pm
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What about those of us that are already lifetime SEN? Is that being withdrawn?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by thbe View Post
1. The LT FTL is not for FTL only. A HON with minimum points will get it after five years. A lot of M&M members will get it in 2021.
I don't think so.
Lifetime status points before 2021 will be counted as :
1 year of FTL = 182 pts
1 year of SEN = 365 pts

So you need 21 years of SEN to in order to get lifetime FTL, and 28 in order to get lifetime SEN. As M&M was lunched on 1993 I really doubt, that there are to many users who can reach such threshold on 2021.
Only multi-year HONs, and people who are SEN from beginning of M&M can get lifetime SEN in 2021.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:35 pm
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The interesting thing here that no one has tackled is how this effects those who were on track for the current (unpublished) Lifetime SEN, as I see it there are probably a yon of people who had qualified for that in all but age (i.e. under 60, but had done the minimum 10 years SEN and 1,000,000 miles) but will now just possibly not even be Lifetime FTL's. I.E. if someone is 57, and SEN for 10 years, they have 7300 Lifetime Star points, which would be 3750 as some here are predicting it will be calculated, so only 25% there instead of :there" in 3 years time. That is a huge kick in the teeth to those who thought they had already essentially made it. Even someone who had been SEN for 20 years, would only just about squeak in at 14,600 which would convert into 7,300 for FTL.

Personally, if it is as some people think it is and it sticks this puts me many years ahead in my Lifetime aspirations.......but I think I am in teh minority.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by SPlDER View Post
I don't think so.
Lifetime status points before 2021 will be counted as :
1 year of FTL = 182 pts
1 year of SEN = 365 pts

So you need 21 years of SEN to in order to get lifetime FTL, and 28 in order to get lifetime SEN. As M&M was lunched on 1993 I really doubt, that there are to many users who can reach such threshold on 2021.
Only multi-year HONs, and people who are SEN from beginning of M&M can get lifetime SEN in 2021.
i may have missed that - where was it stated that previous years will get a fixed value of points?

and if that is really the case, what’s the amount for HON?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo View Post
This is probably bureid somewhere in this thread, but hassle to skim through 11 pages and search doesn't work that well.

Could someone please confirm:
  • No booking classes excluded
  • One can still gain status in the course of a calendar year, it's the last 12 months rolling that count. Once achieved, status has to maintained with earnings of January-December period of following year
  • 50% of second award still a benefit for SEN/HON
  • Award seat guarantee for HONs still in place (or did that go with the SEN premium awards?)
  • No chagnes to earnings/spend mechanism
Thanks.

BTW, might be worth to creat a Wiki with the new scheme

- If a BK earns award points, it will earn status points, but I will confirm again.
- you need to get the points in a calendar year to (re)qualify
- companion award unchanged
- Only SPA goes away, other HON or SEN award request systems stay
- award miles earning and redemption unchanged

Originally Posted by BobBHX View Post
What about those of us that are already lifetime SEN? Is that being withdrawn?
No existing lifetime SEN will be taken away.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by daumueller View Post
i may have missed that - where was it stated that previous years will get a fixed value of points?

and if that is really the case, what’s the amount for HON?
No they will go back in time and estimate your lifetime qualifying points from the data they have on you in their system.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:55 pm
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A diagram of the IATA regions for reference. Note that Algeria and Morocco are part of Europe...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by SPlDER View Post
Both - SK*G, and LH*G gives access to contract lounges on all *A flights except TP and SK.
FTL do not give access to contract lounge at all, and also do not give upgrade vouchers .
Yeah, what a airline if they do not provide lounge access to their own elites. Where I wrote that FTL get upgrade vouchers and contract lounge access???
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaenks View Post
Yeah, what a airline if they do not provide lounge access to their own elites. Where I wrote that FTL get upgrade vouchers and contract lounge access???
Think he meant something else. Not sure about TP, but all SK lounges give access to their SK gold members.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Kleffen View Post
Think he meant something else. Not sure about TP, but all SK lounges give access to their SK gold members.
I wrote about access to contract lounges(managed by third party) that SK changed in Jan/Feb.2017
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:08 pm
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to make sure ...

So now for a zrh -dxb ... you are better off doing a zrh-cai-dxb and get double the points. (Not taken into consideration the qualifying points part)

They are ending up with the same game as OW where a lhr-pvg with QR gets 2x the tier as with BA

And if I understand the whole thing correctly a FRA - CAI in P class earns the same as a FRA- NRT in C ....

At least OW has different tier points for long hauls ...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 7:22 pm
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It seems pretty basic, which I like. There will be some good value in earning 5 points per short haul regional cheapo segments too. Especially towards year end. I didn't really read into the redemption/miles side of things, but the qualifying stuff makes sense. It also doesn't seem THAT daunting either. Assuming SEN is Star Gold (and FTL is kinda irrelevant) flying 480/5 (presuming you're flying only regional econ flights) that's only 96 segments a year. When I started in this game I qualified flying on AC at 100 segs a year. If you don't live in Germany, but fly a lot regionally, you'd need to connect in Germany. So if THAT's the way it's calculated, based on 5 points per segment, then it adds up even faster.

The biggest downside seems to be dropping status from 2 years to 1. That's really the only reason I'm an Asiana member right now. I don't live in Korea, nor do I fly Asiana, but getting 2 years of Star Gold after just 40,000 miles was a breeze.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 8:04 pm
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Shameless copy of the BA program

This is nothing but a shameless copy of the program British Airways has been running for many, many years:

BA TP: 140 TP for long-haul Business, 1.500 TP to BA Gold and 35.000 TP to Lifetime.
LH SP: 50 SP for long-haul Business, 480 TP to LH Gold and 10.000 SP to Lifetime.

Both programs require about 10 long-haul flights to Gold and about 20 years in Gold to Lifetime.

BA and LH give the same TP/SP regardless of whether you book discounted or full fare business.

BA GGL requires 5.000 TP to qualify and 3.000 TP to maintain
LH HON requires 1.500 SP to qualify and maintain.

Neither BA nor LH require any minimum spend and you can become a BA GGL for 5.000 EUR and HON will be up for grabs for the same amount of money.

If you always wanted to change your BA GGL for a LH Gold card, now is your time. TLV-LHR-DME was your BA sweet spot. CAI-FRA-DME will be your new one.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 8:39 pm
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Originally Posted by SMK77 View Post
This is nothing but a shameless copy of the program British Airways has been running for many, many years:

BA TP: 140 TP for long-haul Business, 1.500 TP to BA Gold and 35.000 TP to Lifetime.
LH SP: 50 SP for long-haul Business, 480 TP to LH Gold and 10.000 SP to Lifetime.

Both programs require about 10 long-haul flights to Gold and about 20 years in Gold to Lifetime.

BA and LH give the same TP/SP regardless of whether you book discounted or full fare business.

BA GGL requires 5.000 TP to qualify and 3.000 TP to maintain
LH HON requires 1.500 SP to qualify and maintain.

Neither BA nor LH require any minimum spend and you can become a BA GGL for 5.000 EUR and HON will be up for grabs for the same amount of money.

If you always wanted to change your BA GGL for a LH Gold card, now is your time. TLV-LHR-DME was your BA sweet spot. CAI-FRA-DME will be your new one.
If one could get HON for 5K Euros, those FCL lounges will be packed in a couple of years.

You’ll have to splash way more than that...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post

A diagram of the IATA regions for reference. Note that Algeria and Morocco are part of Europe...
Me thinks, there might be some interesting aspects if your flights are within Asia or The Americas of the new program, e.g, India to Thailand / Singapore or Thailand to Bangkok.
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