New qualifying points system for status from 2021

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All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html

Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:

Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments

There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.

'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.

SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points

The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.

Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.

Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 2:43 pm
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Wondering the definition of continental etc. ... e.g. would it be inspired by the RTW ticket definition in which Europe consists of Middle East and North Africa ... ?
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Old Nov 11, 19, 2:52 pm
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From my current perspective, the new system can make it cheaper to achieve a status but involves more flying than before. While now you can get SEN with two SIN flights in F and feeder, that will no longer work. One has to do 4-5 intercontinental C flights, even if it's just to CAI.

LH said, they expect the member numbers stay the same, there will just be a shift. Maybe the number of mile run freaks is limited and they are right with their calculations.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by thbe View Post
FRA-CAI in P will be the same as FRA-SIN in J.

And FRA-CAI-SIN in P will give 42% more points than FRA-SIN in F.
guess Ill be going for HON then!
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Old Nov 11, 19, 3:03 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueNordicSky View Post
50 points in intercontinental business class.

This is the outlier. The one that opens the floodgates to all sorts of gaming of the system. Compared to all the others, this one is disproportionate. Fly just a little bit outside of Europe, and your points are multiplied by 5. Something like FRA-LIS is 3 hours and gets you 10 points. By comparison there are a few flights such as FRA-TUN which are actually shorter and get you 50 points. Flying in First gets you 70 points which is rather low in comparison.

Not that I'm complaining. Hello M&M, a bunch of lowly SENs would like to join your HON club, can we book a few flights in P just across the continent?
Tunisia, Morocco and Turkey are in Europe IATA region.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 3:14 pm
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With the move to the status point scheme, purely based on class of service - does that mean that you can get credit (from a status point perspective) for partner flights in a booking class that is ineligible for credit nowadays? Of course, without getting any award miles for this flight.

And what about award flights in general? If we're talking purely about a class of service based concept that could imply that tickets in X, I, O etc. could be considered for the purpose of getting status points credited?

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Old Nov 11, 19, 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by SPlDER View Post
Tunisia, Morocco and Turkey are in Europe IATA region.
Morocco, algeria and Tunesia are a special case. They are specifically marked in the IATA code.
Per LH interpretation they are not in Europe and give miles accordingly. And unless they change this in the future my few flights to RAK and CMN would give 50 points in C...
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Old Nov 11, 19, 3:35 pm
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This is probably bureid somewhere in this thread, but hassle to skim through 11 pages and search doesn't work that well.

Could someone please confirm:
  • No booking classes excluded
  • One can still gain status in the course of a calendar year, it's the last 12 months rolling that count. Once achieved, status has to maintained with earnings of January-December period of following year
  • 50% of second award still a benefit for SEN/HON
  • Award seat guarantee for HONs still in place (or did that go with the SEN premium awards?)
  • No chagnes to earnings/spend mechanism
Thanks.

BTW, might be worth to creat a Wiki with the new scheme
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Old Nov 11, 19, 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by warakorn View Post
This is likely. However, this will create headaches for corporate booking agents/tools.
LH frequent flyer instructing them not to book K, L, T. But in Concur it might be even not possible to see the fare class.
I can see fare class in Concur, but I can't force a higher one. However as it seems no blackout on classes, so irrelevant.

Originally Posted by cas_de View Post
With the move to the status point scheme, purely based on class of service - does that mean that you can get credit (from a status point perspective) for partner flights in a booking class that is ineligible for credit nowadays? Of course, without getting any award miles for this flight.

And what about award flights in general? If we're talking purely about a class of service based concept that could imply that tickets in X, I, O etc. could be considered for the purpose of getting status points credited?
Based on FB, I expect that 0% earning classes on partners will earn no QPs.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueNordicSky View Post
50 points in intercontinental business class.

This is the outlier...

Not that I'm complaining. Hello M&M, a bunch of lowly SENs would like to join your HON club, can we book a few flights in P just across the continent?
Its still 30 intercontinental J flights to get HON. All on LH metal. Every year!

Not exactly giving away HON for free.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueNordicSky View Post
50 points in intercontinental business class.

This is the outlier. The one that opens the floodgates to all sorts of gaming of the system. Compared to all the others, this one is disproportionate. Fly just a little bit outside of Europe, and your points are multiplied by 5. Something like FRA-LIS is 3 hours and gets you 10 points. By comparison there are a few flights such as FRA-TUN which are actually shorter and get you 50 points. Flying in First gets you 70 points which is rather low in comparison.
As far I can tell, this is virtually identical to the BA system. 140 tier points for a long-haul one-way in J (any fare class) with 1500 needed for BA Gold (oneworld Emerald), so 10 legs give or take. Virtually identical to BA. And BA seems happy enough with it.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by thbe View Post
The status stars are probably just one way to include the history into the LT FTL/SEN.

Another way could be, that LH evaluate the flight history regarding segments, cabin class, continental/intercontinental and airline. The LH managers have talked about that, but it seems not to be decided yet.
Proposed lifetime FTL threshold is crazy
The 160 points required for FTL mean that someone who achieves FTL status each year and only on the LH group needs 47 years to get lifetime FTL.
Someone who reached FTL for the first time at the age of 18 will gain a lifetime status at the age of 65.
SK gives lifetime gold after 10 years of holding gold status
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Old Nov 11, 19, 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by SPlDER View Post
Proposed lifetime FTL threshold is crazy
The 160 points required for FTL mean that someone who achieves FTL status each year and only on the LH group needs 47 years to get lifetime FTL.
Someone who reached FTL for the first time at the age of 18 will gain a lifetime status at the age of 65.
SK gives lifetime gold after 10 years of holding gold status
1. The LT FTL is not for FTL only. A HON with minimum points will get it after five years. A lot of M&M members will get it in 2021.
2. Many FTL had more points than 160 a year. Some of them will be able to get SEN based on the new rules.
3. There are many examples, where it is easier to get a status than with M&M. However, the changes make it much easier to get LT FTL/SEN with M&M as the customer's age doesn't matter anymore.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:02 pm
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Originally Posted by SPlDER View Post
Proposed lifetime FTL threshold is crazy
The 160 points required for FTL mean that someone who achieves FTL status each year and only on the LH group needs 47 years to get lifetime FTL.
Someone who reached FTL for the first time at the age of 18 will gain a lifetime status at the age of 65.
SK gives lifetime gold after 10 years of holding gold status
No, crazy is when a multi-year HON member receives the lifetime FTL card on his/her mailbox. Lifetime membership either FTL or SEN is a courtesy privilege and for sure a motivation for some. SK lifetime Gold membership does not give 2 upgrade vouchers per year nor access to contract lounges. That is why you can schieve it about 15000 by flying 45 SK segments per year.
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaenks View Post
No, crazy is when a multi-year HON member receives the lifetime FTL card on his/her mailbox. Lifetime membership either FTL or SEN is a courtesy privilege and for sure a motivation for some. SK lifetime Gold membership does not give 2 upgrade vouchers per year nor access to contract lounges. That is why you can schieve it about 15000 by flying 45 SK segments per year.
Both - SK*G, and LH*G gives access to contract lounges on all *A flights except TP and SK.
FTL do not give access to contract lounge at all, and also do not give upgrade vouchers .
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Old Nov 11, 19, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaenks View Post
No, crazy is when a multi-year HON member receives the lifetime FTL card on his/her mailbox. Lifetime membership either FTL or SEN is a courtesy privilege and for sure a motivation for some. SK lifetime Gold membership does not give 2 upgrade vouchers per year nor access to contract lounges. That is why you can schieve it about 15000 by flying 45 SK segments per year.
I'm sure if multi-year HON has a choice between not receiving anything at all and receiving an FTL card, they will prefer the FTL card. Besides they will first get a SEN card for a year anyway.
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