Significant changes in 2021 for Status (re-)qualification criteria

Old Oct 17, 19, 2:31 am
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Significant changes in 2021 for Status (re-)qualification criteria

It depends. About six rt flights a year to SIN or SFO in First on LH integrated carriers plus connecting flights within Europe are enough to qualify for HON. And there were sales for around EUR 2,500 per rt in A for some destinations this year.

But there could be significant changes next year or 2021 about the (re-)qualification criteria for HON.

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Old Oct 17, 19, 11:22 am
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It depends. About six rt flights a year to SIN or SFO in First on LH integrated carriers plus connecting flights within Europe are enough to qualify for HON. And there were sales for around EUR 2,500 per rt in A for some destinations this year.

But there could be significant changes next year or 2021 about the (re-)qualification criteria for HON.
Whats changes are you thinking about, and is it based on your speculation, or bread crumbs from LH or something more substantive than that?
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Old Oct 17, 19, 11:56 am
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Whats changes are you thinking about, and is it based on your speculation, or bread crumbs from LH or something more substantive than that?
Status miles going revenue based, they would love to do it, just waiting for the data after award miles having gone revenue based
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Old Oct 17, 19, 12:06 pm
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Status miles going revenue based, they would love to do it, just waiting for the data after award miles having gone revenue based
Bear in mind that United is the only one with pure revenue based status miles now (with the recent changes to MileagePlus). Before there were minimum spend thresholds (PQDs) in addition to the regular status mile accruals. Iím not sure LH would move to a pure revenue model like Unitedís without doing a hybrid first.

Iím curious what the threshold would be. It probably costs at least 30k EUR a year to get HON circle if you took advantage of literally every fare deal you find anyways.
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Old Oct 17, 19, 12:10 pm
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Also, I get the sense that UA changed because there were too many 1Ks. Is there a sense in LH there are too many HONs? If not, why would they want to make it harder for HONs to make HON again? Not sure there is money to be gained from it.
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Old Oct 17, 19, 12:15 pm
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Whats changes are you thinking about, and is it based on your speculation, or bread crumbs from LH or something more substantive than that?
Rumors about a hybrid system starting in 2021. Nothing official.
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Old Oct 17, 19, 12:42 pm
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It depends. About six rt flights a year to SIN or SFO in First on LH integrated carriers plus connecting flights within Europe are enough to qualify for HON. And there were sales for around EUR 2,500 per rt in A for some destinations this year.

But there could be significant changes next year or 2021 about the (re-)qualification criteria for HON.
If Mr. Spohr wanted to be incredibly brave and stop all these immoral F fares he would bin HON altogether and shut down M&M in the true spirit of the climate EMERGENCY.

Beautiful, comfortable, and well-catered A320 Neo's are one thing and reducing CO2 is commendable.

There's just no other way forward.
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Old Oct 17, 19, 12:57 pm
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I canít see them purely relying on yield for HON as even they know that their systems arenít up to it.
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Old Oct 17, 19, 4:04 pm
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Status miles going revenue based, they would love to do it, just waiting for the data after award miles having gone revenue based
That would not always necessarily be a bad thing...

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Old Oct 17, 19, 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by hugolover View Post
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Beautiful, comfortable, and well-catered A320 Neo's are one thing and reducing CO2 is commendable.

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Beautiful is questionable but comfortable & well catered, definitely not
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Old Oct 17, 19, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by vantage03 View Post
I canít see them purely relying on yield for HON as even they know that their systems arenít up to it.
Their systems are certainly not up to it but that doesnít mean they wonít go for it
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Old Oct 18, 19, 2:16 am
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That would not always necessarily be a bad thing...

As we know, it can also be a very bad thing lol

(This wasnít a sale fare)
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Rumors about a hybrid system starting in 2021.
What is the meaning of Hybrid system?
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Old Oct 18, 19, 3:36 am
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Originally Posted by sophialite View Post
Iím curious what the threshold would be. It probably costs at least 30k EUR a year to get HON circle if you took advantage of literally every fare deal you find anyways.
You can get HON for a little more than 15k $ a year if you only do partner specials.
I once calculated it for FTL, SEN ans HON, let me quickly search the numbers from the VFT.

EDIT: Here the numbers:
HON is possible for 15'000-20'000.- per year:
6x ARN-MUC-FRA-EZE (50k HON Miles for 3000.-)
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4x ARN-MUC-FRA-SIN (46k HON Miles for 2700.-)
2x ARN MUC-FRA-HKG (42k HON Miles for 2500.-)
1x ARN-MUC-ZRH-DXB (33k HON Miles for 2000.-)

IMO still not an insignificant amount of money.

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Old Oct 18, 19, 4:01 am
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What is the meaning of Hybrid system?
Two criterias instead of one. One based on status miles, the other based on revenue.

I.e. you need 600.000 HON miles and at least EUR 100.000 revenue in two years (just an example, nothing official about that).
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