Significant changes in 2021 for Status (re-)qualification criteria
Oct 22, 2019, 12:59 am
#61
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
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The change to revenue based award miles has already reduced my LH Group flying from about 80+ percent select miles in previous years to less than 50 percent this year. LH shouldn’t “force” us even more to fly with other airlines. Not relevant for HON but the many SENs out there.
Oct 22, 2019, 2:26 am
#62
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
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I’m not sure where the consultant math decides this, but I think the power of loyalty programs is that they compel a traveler to spend a bit more on an airline ticket with the airline as opposed to a competitor. The more an airline dilutes its program the more it risks making the traveler a “free agent.”
Even worse is that this compels travelers to build loyalty with other airlines. What compels me to fly LH group is that now with Y dates I get priority everything and lounge access. But if I can also easily build a BA or FB status with similar benefits (it’s not that hard to get some priority and some free lounge access), it’s a tougher sell for me to connect in the EU when I can fly direct to another EU destination less expensively.
Anyways, just musings out loud. The worst case scenario is clearly the US carriers. By far. And I think it’s a long while before LH goes there either because of loyalty to its customers or sheer IT/administrative incompetence.
Even worse is that this compels travelers to build loyalty with other airlines. What compels me to fly LH group is that now with Y dates I get priority everything and lounge access. But if I can also easily build a BA or FB status with similar benefits (it’s not that hard to get some priority and some free lounge access), it’s a tougher sell for me to connect in the EU when I can fly direct to another EU destination less expensively.
Anyways, just musings out loud. The worst case scenario is clearly the US carriers. By far. And I think it’s a long while before LH goes there either because of loyalty to its customers or sheer IT/administrative incompetence.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:04 am
#63
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Yes, those are the things keeping me with LH group but cost of A fares vary dramatically by market so not necessary to downguage status miles because they can limit the attraction by price. Their IT cannot cope currently & that ought to positively limit their appetite for change.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:11 am
#64
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Everyone has their own reasons for one status or another, it’s like arguing whether you prefer trans or pan sexual womon and what matters is what it costs you, at least that is my consideration. Unless one is part of the political class like a Polish MP I’m looking at right now.
On the routes that many of us fly, arrivals lounge access for SEN is reduced to a plastic card to scratch the ice of one’s Skoda.
At least we are in agreement of the most premium carrier in the skies. BArb.
On the routes that many of us fly, arrivals lounge access for SEN is reduced to a plastic card to scratch the ice of one’s Skoda.
At least we are in agreement of the most premium carrier in the skies. BArb.
Oct 22, 2019, 3:11 am
#65
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P-ification of A fares would be disturbing. I get that with ultra-discounted business comes an increasingly less and less premium experience and probably accrual. But no need to compromise with F. F should by definition have no compromises.
Oct 22, 2019, 5:41 am
#66
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Agreed & they can cover it with price & availability
Oct 22, 2019, 1:09 pm
#67
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: VIE, TYO, CAX
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I do hope that's not a hint of nervousness I detect, I'd miss the champagne reviews!
Oct 22, 2019, 7:21 pm
#69
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Oct 22, 2019, 7:22 pm
#70
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Oct 23, 2019, 12:32 am
#72
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For LH the best HONs are customers, who fly First only, as the additional costs from First to HON are low. It doesn't really matter, if they are booked in A or F.
The worst HONs for LH are customers, who get the HON as cheap as possible for flying Eco as often as possible.
The task is to keep the first ones and to get rid of the second ones.
The worst HONs for LH are customers, who get the HON as cheap as possible for flying Eco as often as possible.
The task is to keep the first ones and to get rid of the second ones.
Oct 23, 2019, 1:51 am
#74
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Oct 23, 2019, 2:31 am
#75
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For LH the best HONs are customers, who fly First only, as the additional costs from First to HON are low. It doesn't really matter, if they are booked in A or F.
The worst HONs for LH are customers, who get the HON as cheap as possible for flying Eco as often as possible.
The task is to keep the first ones and to get rid of the second ones.
The worst HONs for LH are customers, who get the HON as cheap as possible for flying Eco as often as possible.
The task is to keep the first ones and to get rid of the second ones.