Passport control required at MUC?
Aug 30, 2019, 1:22 pm
#16
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I was able to dig this up: "Never make duplicate or multiple reservations for the same passenger on the same flight/s and same date on same O&D (except waitlist bookings). Flight segments overlapping in time, booked for the same passenger, are also considered as duplicates."
It seems to apply to same flights and on same date. In my case, it's for a different flight/route on the same day. Can you clarify?
It seems to apply to same flights and on same date. In my case, it's for a different flight/route on the same day. Can you clarify?
Aug 30, 2019, 1:45 pm
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I arrive at MUC at 1.35pm. The flight from MUC-IAD is at 4.25pm. I plan to book a flight from MUC-MAD leaving at 3.20pm same day; while ditching my MUC-IAD flight. I'm not particularly sure why this is considered double booking. Your question on how I plan to get to IAD is a moot point: I'm going to book an award flight from MAD to IAD on UA after spending 4 days in Madrid. I don't care that the MUC-IAD leg of my flight is going to be cancelled. Right now, the real question is whether I can book MUC-MAD on LH without getting flagged.
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Aug 30, 2019, 1:51 pm
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I arrive at MUC at 1.35pm. The flight from MUC-IAD is at 4.25pm. I plan to book a flight from MUC-MAD leaving at 3.20pm same day; while ditching my MUC-IAD flight. I'm not particularly sure why this is considered double booking. Your question on how I plan to get to IAD is a moot point: I'm going to book an award flight from MAD to IAD after spending 4 days in Madrid. I don't care that the MUC-IAD leg of my flight is going to be cancelled.
Aug 30, 2019, 1:54 pm
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I was able to dig this up: "Never make duplicate or multiple reservations for the same passenger on the same flight/s and same date on same O&D (except waitlist bookings). Flight segments overlapping in time, booked for the same passenger, are also considered as duplicates."
It seems to apply to same flights and on same date. In my case, it's for a different flight/route on the same day. Can you clarify?
It seems to apply to same flights and on same date. In my case, it's for a different flight/route on the same day. Can you clarify?
Double booking [and dupe check] on Lufthansa
“LH does what they call horizontal and vertical duplicate checks to protect their revenue integrity.”
“LH will instantly detect the duplicate and send both reservations into a queue to the issuing ossuing/owning office for clarification adding a deadline till they have to resolve the duplication or...”
Aug 30, 2019, 1:58 pm
#21
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Have you checked the thread I linked above?
Double booking [and dupe check] on Lufthansa
“LH does what they call horizontal and vertical duplicate checks to protect their revenue integrity.”
“LH will instantly detect the duplicate and send both reservations into a queue to the issuing ossuing/owning office for clarification adding a deadline till they have to resolve the duplication or...”
Double booking [and dupe check] on Lufthansa
“LH does what they call horizontal and vertical duplicate checks to protect their revenue integrity.”
“LH will instantly detect the duplicate and send both reservations into a queue to the issuing ossuing/owning office for clarification adding a deadline till they have to resolve the duplication or...”
That's not relevant.
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Aug 30, 2019, 3:11 pm
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I arrive at MUC at 1.35pm. The flight from MUC-IAD is at 4.25pm. I plan to book a flight from MUC-MAD leaving at 3.20pm same day; while ditching my MUC-IAD flight. I'm not particularly sure why this is considered double booking. Your question on how I plan to get to IAD is a moot point: I'm going to book an award flight from MAD to IAD on UA after spending 4 days in Madrid. I don't care that the MUC-IAD leg of my flight is going to be cancelled. Right now, the real question is whether I can book MUC-MAD on LH without getting flagged.
LH might care about the abandoning of the return -- a round trip transcontinental is often less expensive than the one way ticket -- as the one way fares are often unrestricted fares.
This is why people were asking about what the plan was for the MUC-IAD ticket.
It is not the same with the inter-European flights -- the one way fares are available at lower fare classes.
Aug 30, 2019, 3:28 pm
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The system checks for illogical and duplicate bookings -- you cannot be on both flights on the same day.
LH might care about the abandoning of the return -- a round trip transcontinental is often less expensive than the one way ticket -- as the one way fares are often unrestricted fares.
This is why people were asking about what the plan was for the MUC-IAD ticket.
It is not the same with the inter-European flights -- the one way fares are available at lower fare classes.
LH might care about the abandoning of the return -- a round trip transcontinental is often less expensive than the one way ticket -- as the one way fares are often unrestricted fares.
This is why people were asking about what the plan was for the MUC-IAD ticket.
It is not the same with the inter-European flights -- the one way fares are available at lower fare classes.
Yeah didn't see the correlation between what you were asking and the original question. Thanks for asking though.Have a good time too.
I just purchased a milage ticket from UA for the LH flight from MUC-MAD. Let's see what happens.
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Aug 30, 2019, 10:03 pm
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Aug 30, 2019, 11:34 pm
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Yeah probably after I take the flight from BRI-MUC assuming I don't get notified about "duplicate" booking before then.
Yeah probably after I take the flight from BRI-MUC assuming I don't get notified about "duplicate" booking before then. Also if it gets cancelled, I suppose United will refund my miles?
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Aug 31, 2019, 2:19 am
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That said, I hope it works out. Please do report back on what happens - will be interesting to know for the community here.
Aug 31, 2019, 3:12 am
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I think this is a justified comment as the core question relates to 'will I be screened or not'.
If OP would have already booked a ticket which makes him subject to MCT and would be afraid to miss his flight - ok - but given the awkward booking ('let me save money by not booking a Bari to Madrid flight and let me waste my leg to the US instead which was expensive') plus the response to the question above gives the whole thing a strange taste.
This can be of course easily solved if OP explains a bit more (plus being a bit more friendly).
D
If OP would have already booked a ticket which makes him subject to MCT and would be afraid to miss his flight - ok - but given the awkward booking ('let me save money by not booking a Bari to Madrid flight and let me waste my leg to the US instead which was expensive') plus the response to the question above gives the whole thing a strange taste.
This can be of course easily solved if OP explains a bit more (plus being a bit more friendly).
D
Aug 31, 2019, 3:52 am
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I did not ask for anything, so do not worry. Enjoy your life and don't bother what others think. We are currently absolutely used to approaches neither being friendly nor polite but demanding.
Aug 31, 2019, 6:09 am
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Has to be one of the most convoluted posts I've read here.
jjay: You do not have to go through any immigration. But there are multiple problems here.
1) You have two bookings the same day to two different places. Let's assume Lufthansa doesn't pick up on this and allows you to fly BRI-MUC-MAD. They are most definitely going to pick up on the fact that you didn't show up for a transatlantic flight. (by the way Lufthansa isn't going to contact you in advance- you'll show up at the airport and be denied boarding, period).
2) Lufthansa has been pretty aggressive lately with customers skipping segments (Google lawsuit against passenger who didn't return to Oslo)
3) On the US side you are going to bump up your flight risk score... (yes, this exists) by not showing up. So you may get more scrutiny when you do eventually go back to the US.
You really should just cancel the entire Bari-IAD flight altogether.
jjay: You do not have to go through any immigration. But there are multiple problems here.
1) You have two bookings the same day to two different places. Let's assume Lufthansa doesn't pick up on this and allows you to fly BRI-MUC-MAD. They are most definitely going to pick up on the fact that you didn't show up for a transatlantic flight. (by the way Lufthansa isn't going to contact you in advance- you'll show up at the airport and be denied boarding, period).
2) Lufthansa has been pretty aggressive lately with customers skipping segments (Google lawsuit against passenger who didn't return to Oslo)
3) On the US side you are going to bump up your flight risk score... (yes, this exists) by not showing up. So you may get more scrutiny when you do eventually go back to the US.
You really should just cancel the entire Bari-IAD flight altogether.