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chris63 Apr 13, 2019 11:13 am
Originally Posted by milfweed20 (Post 30995793)
None. But since I can manage my business from any remote location and I like to travel 3-4 months a year I tought it would be a nice challenge.
Good for you, life is for living ;)

Unterwegs Apr 13, 2019 12:55 pm
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30995631)
Post was:Not sure if it counts, but a Star F RTW on LH (4 LH longhaul in F) stock for approx. 12000 Euro (from NRT)

How many HON points did you accrue for that?
Too far away fom HON, but the F flights (book into A were NRT-FRA,FRA-JNB-FRA,FRA-LAX is about 21000 Miles, so 63000+Status Bonus HON miles. Total amount of Status Miles is over 100.000. Enough for SEN if done inside one year. Not the cheapest way, but comfortable and flexible.

sophialite Apr 13, 2019 5:04 pm
Originally Posted by Unterwegs (Post 30996639)
Too far away fom HON, but the F flights (book into A were NRT-FRA,FRA-JNB-FRA,FRA-LAX is about 21000 Miles, so 63000+Status Bonus HON miles. Total amount of Status Miles is over 100.000. Enough for SEN if done inside one year. Not the cheapest way, but comfortable and flexible.
that’s actually really good value IMO...

sophialite Apr 13, 2019 5:05 pm
I think probably difficult to get HON for less than 30k EUR per year. Anything between that and 40k is pretty good.

daumueller Apr 13, 2019 5:37 pm
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30997235)
I think probably difficult to get HON for less than 30k EUR per year. Anything between that and 40k is pretty good.
unless you got waaaay too much time to reposition etc

so far I never made use of ex-Cdg/bud/mxp etc. fares just because I value time at home way more so my ex-DE fares obviously come at a surcharge. Same with travel dates - sometimes I book F because A isn’t available. Also, I fly to where work takes me - not where cheap fares allow me to...

so yeah, I agree 30k is pretty cheap for HON. But I doubt it’s doable for most of us unless you aim for HON to be HON (unlike HON because that’s what results from your travel) or your extremely lucky with where you live at and need to go to.

cfischer Apr 13, 2019 7:17 pm
$4k for a low season TATL A-class. Often $10k for C/J class tickets that I upgrade to O with eGPUs.

747jetter Apr 13, 2019 9:42 pm
400€ and some A3 miles. I am the one you want to see on 1A :D :D :D

sophialite Apr 14, 2019 12:11 am
Originally Posted by daumueller (Post 30997314)


unless you got waaaay too much time to reposition etc

so far I never made use of ex-Cdg/bud/mxp etc. fares just because I value time at home way more so my ex-DE fares obviously come at a surcharge. Same with travel dates - sometimes I book F because A isn’t available. Also, I fly to where work takes me - not where cheap fares allow me to...

so yeah, I agree 30k is pretty cheap for HON. But I doubt it’s doable for most of us unless you aim for HON to be HON (unlike HON because that’s what results from your travel) or your extremely lucky with where you live at and need to go to.
You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster.

Full disclosure--I do sometimes do positioning or separate tickets to get cheaper fares (and I have zero problem doing the intra-EU leg in economy--never understood posters here who say they have to fly business for that). But I've never booked a ticket to a destination for the mere fact that it was a cheap A class destination.

travelben Apr 14, 2019 3:09 am
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30998058)


You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster.

Full disclosure--I do sometimes do positioning or separate tickets to get cheaper fares (and I have zero problem doing the intra-EU leg in economy--never understood posters here who say they have to fly business for that). But I've never booked a ticket to a destination for the mere fact that it was a cheap A class destination.
Well, the positioning flight in Eco vs. positioning flight in Business is -for me- dependent ob two things:

a) is it a direct return (e.g. MUC-BUD-MUC) or not (or stopover at EU starting point)

b) how much carry-on luggage I will take with me

milfweed20 Apr 14, 2019 3:54 am
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30998058)


You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster.

Full disclosure--I do sometimes do positioning or separate tickets to get cheaper fares (and I have zero problem doing the intra-EU leg in economy--never understood posters here who say they have to fly business for that). But I've never booked a ticket to a destination for the mere fact that it was a cheap A class destination.
I think destination wise it can make sense to chose a destination that may not be your exact final destination but is close enough in order to save a lot of money. Let’s say you want to fly to HKG, but the fare difference of flying instead to BKK is huge, in this case I think it makes sense to chose a close-by destination.

Regarding the positioning I think it really depends on how busy your life is. If you are a big shot that calculates their hourly wage at 1-2k/hour, than having a detour that can make you lose 5-6 hours maybe doesn’t make sense financially for you, but if you are some normal person, you would probably prefer to save 2-3k in the fare and spending an extra 5-6 hours.

sophialite Apr 14, 2019 3:59 am
Originally Posted by milfweed20 (Post 30998369)


I think destination wise it can make sense to chose a destination that may not be your exact final destination but is close enough in order to save a lot of money. Let’s say you want to fly to HKG, but the fare difference of flying instead to BKK is huge, in this case I think it makes sense to chose a close-by destination.

Regarding the positioning I think it really depends on how busy your life is. If you are a big shot that calculates their hourly wage at 1-2k/hour, than having a detour that can make you lose 5-6 hours maybe doesn’t make sense financially for you, but if you are some normal person, you would probably prefer to save 2-3k in the fare and spending an extra 5-6 hours.
You’re the founder of a company with sufficient revenue to let you fly F but you don’t value your time at at least $1k an hour? Interesting.

milfweed20 Apr 14, 2019 4:15 am
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30998377)


You’re the founder of a company with sufficient revenue to let you fly F but you don’t value your time at at least $1k an hour? Interesting.
Not exactly the point I was trying to make. Obviously you need a good financial situation in order to regularly fly F, but what I meant is someone like me who has enough free time to lose 5 or 6 hours when I'm travelling, if that means I can save enough on the flight fare to invest in other components of the trip like hotels and restaurants, I'll do it.

Also when I'm valuing my time I don't do it big corporation style, where you're always charging a lot of hours a week to the clients or something similar to look very busy and therefore artificially increase your hourly wage, I regularly work a lot less hours than those jobs and make more than others I know who work those jobs. As you already said once, quality over quantity.

sophialite Apr 14, 2019 4:22 am
Originally Posted by milfweed20 (Post 30998408)
Not exactly the point I was trying to make. Obviously you need a good financial situation in order to regularly fly F, but what I meant is someone like me who has enough free time to lose 5 or 6 hours when I'm travelling, if that means I can save enough on the flight fare to invest in other components of the trip like hotels and restaurants, I'll do it.

Also when I'm valuing my time I don't do it big corporation style, where you're always charging a lot of hours a week to the clients or something similar to look very busy and therefore artificially increase your hourly wage, I regularly work a lot less hours than those jobs and make more than others I know who work those jobs. As you already said once, quality over quantity.
No question that lawyers and consultants are useless. But you don’t have to be on the billable hour to know how much you value your time. And if you’re the CEO of a company with sufficient revenues to support premium travel of this time, I’d argue that your time on an hourly basis is worth much more than $2k.

milfweed20 Apr 14, 2019 4:34 am
Originally Posted by sophialite (Post 30998427)


No question that lawyers and consultants are useless. But you don’t have to be on the billable hour to know how much you value your time. And if you’re the CEO of a company with sufficient revenues to support premium travel of this time, I’d argue that your time on an hourly basis is worth much more than $2k.
The only problem I see with your argument is not the value per hour you attach to the work but the amount of hours that you think are billable as work. And to support premium travel you don't have to make 2k/hour even if you only work 25h a week.

sophialite Apr 14, 2019 4:40 am
Originally Posted by milfweed20 (Post 30998447)
The only problem I see with your argument is not the value per hour you attach to the work but the amount of hours that you think are billable as work. And to support premium travel you don't have to make 2k/hour even if you only work 25h a week.
When you’re CEO, regardless of whether your time is literally billable, every waking hour of your life is one in which you can enhance revenue or minimize cost. If your company has achieved the scale to afford this kind of travel, that extra three hours you spent positioning to save $2k off an F fare could’ve been used to generate much more in revenues for your company.

My partner is the founder of a company. If her investors found that she was making this trade off, they would rightfully wonder if she was the right person for the job. Not really the best use of her time, even if she can’t subdivide her time into billable units or invoice a client.


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