LH778 FRA-SIN 10APR - allowed to take off after curfew?
Apr 12, 2019, 2:22 am
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LH778 FRA-SIN 10APR - allowed to take off after curfew?
It seems that for the past days LH778 has been delayed (operated by A380). On 9 April the a/c come in too late from PVG to operate LH778 to SIN before the curfew and the dept. was postponed until the following morning (took off as LH778D at 07:34 om 10APR). Obviously, LH779 the was impacted by this and arrived late into FRA yesterday morning. Last night, the depart. of LH778 was late again, however, this time it appears that the a/c was allowed to take off at 23:20, i,e. after the curfew at FRA.
I don't understand the inconsistency and certainly not why apparently a true exception was made for LH778 last night allowing it to take off after the curfew?
I don't understand the inconsistency and certainly not why apparently a true exception was made for LH778 last night allowing it to take off after the curfew?
Apr 12, 2019, 3:19 am
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It seems that for the past days LH778 has been delayed (operated by A380). On 9 April the a/c come in too late from PVG to operate LH778 to SIN before the curfew and the dept. was postponed until the following morning (took off as LH778D at 07:34 om 10APR). Obviously, LH779 the was impacted by this and arrived late into FRA yesterday morning. Last night, the depart. of LH778 was late again, however, this time it appears that the a/c was allowed to take off at 23:20, i,e. after the curfew at FRA.
I don't understand the inconsistency and certainly not why apparently a true exception was made for LH778 last night allowing it to take off after the curfew?
I don't understand the inconsistency and certainly not why apparently a true exception was made for LH778 last night allowing it to take off after the curfew?
So while it rarely happens, there are ways to get around the curfew.
Apr 12, 2019, 3:24 am
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The curfew is clear no go in my opinion. If you live close to an airport you have to accept flight noise emissions.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
Apr 12, 2019, 3:43 am
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I was onboard LH778 on April 10 and we indeed took off at 23.20hrs.
First, a passenger requested to leave the plane for medical reasons (ambulance was waiting) and after his luggage was unloaded there was only one runway operating because of heavy winds, obviously causing a huge backlog. I overheard crew chatter and they were indeed saying that we were lucky to have departed so late.
First, a passenger requested to leave the plane for medical reasons (ambulance was waiting) and after his luggage was unloaded there was only one runway operating because of heavy winds, obviously causing a huge backlog. I overheard crew chatter and they were indeed saying that we were lucky to have departed so late.
Apr 12, 2019, 4:54 am
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Thank you for shedding some light on the this. Apparently, the delay was totally out of control of LH and it may be reason why an exemption was made - it certainly makes sense - or to put it differently, if wouldn't make sense to order a fully loaded and prepared for take off A380 back to the gate and for all pax to disembark, hotel rooms to be provided etc. only to take off the following morning.
Apr 12, 2019, 11:12 am
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Thank you for shedding some light on the this. Apparently, the delay was totally out of control of LH and it may be reason why an exemption was made - it certainly makes sense - or to put it differently, if wouldn't make sense to order a fully loaded and prepared for take off A380 back to the gate and for all pax to disembark, hotel rooms to be provided etc. only to take off the following morning.
Apr 12, 2019, 12:47 pm
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Apr 13, 2019, 9:24 am
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I was onboard LH778 on April 10 and we indeed took off at 23.20hrs.
First, a passenger requested to leave the plane for medical reasons (ambulance was waiting) and after his luggage was unloaded there was only one runway operating because of heavy winds, obviously causing a huge backlog. I overheard crew chatter and they were indeed saying that we were lucky to have departed so late.
First, a passenger requested to leave the plane for medical reasons (ambulance was waiting) and after his luggage was unloaded there was only one runway operating because of heavy winds, obviously causing a huge backlog. I overheard crew chatter and they were indeed saying that we were lucky to have departed so late.
Apr 15, 2019, 2:43 am
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and it continues
11APR LH778 was cancelled/postponed until 11:49 the following morning (arrived SIN at LH778D at 06:10 on 13APR) and obviously, 12APR LH779 had to postponed as well (took of from SIN as LH779D on 13APR at 08:03).
Pretty bad track record lately for SIN (admittedly, the last 2 days LH778 seems to have left on time). Luckily, LH has a flight to MUC and LX to ZRH (and SQ to FRA, MUC and ZRH) so rebooking should be have been possible.
Pretty bad track record lately for SIN (admittedly, the last 2 days LH778 seems to have left on time). Luckily, LH has a flight to MUC and LX to ZRH (and SQ to FRA, MUC and ZRH) so rebooking should be have been possible.
Apr 15, 2019, 5:36 am
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11APR LH778 was cancelled/postponed until 11:49 the following morning (arrived SIN at LH778D at 06:10 on 13APR) and obviously, 12APR LH779 had to postponed as well (took of from SIN as LH779D on 13APR at 08:03).
Pretty bad track record lately for SIN (admittedly, the last 2 days LH778 seems to have left on time). Luckily, LH has a flight to MUC and LX to ZRH (and SQ to FRA, MUC and ZRH) so rebooking should be have been possible.
Pretty bad track record lately for SIN (admittedly, the last 2 days LH778 seems to have left on time). Luckily, LH has a flight to MUC and LX to ZRH (and SQ to FRA, MUC and ZRH) so rebooking should be have been possible.
Apr 15, 2019, 6:01 am
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The curfew is clear no go in my opinion. If you live close to an airport you have to accept flight noise emissions.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
Airports grow over time. Some, like FRA, grow a lot. They built additional runways. The number of flight movements goes up. Etc.
Whole areas around FRA which had very little flight noise ten or twenty years ago now have a lot of noise pollution. No surprise considering flight movements in FRA have gone up almost 100% over the last 25 years. Also, an additional runway opened in 2011 (that alone increased capacity by around 50% because, for the first time in FRA, parallel approaches became possible). Entry paths were tweaked multiple times with resulting geographic changes in the noise pollution. Etc.
Apr 15, 2019, 8:12 am
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The curfew is clear no go in my opinion. If you live close to an airport you have to accept flight noise emissions.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
Did you consider that the airport was not what it is today when peoaple moved there 30 years asgo? Especially the opening of a new runway can considerably change and extend the noise carpet that was accepted when moving there. And there were probably no flights during these hours either.
And how close is close? There's noise in a large area around the airport. Even 30 km away you can still hear the planes if their route takes them overhead.
The curfew really sucks -- but considering that the airport is surrounded by villages and cities that have existed since long before the airport, it's completely justified.
HTB.
Apr 16, 2019, 4:24 am
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I have a friend (pilot with LH passage) stationed in FRA. He said they get in a lot of trouble if they don’t have wheels up by the curfew getting in effect. Actually phones start to ring at FRA with complaints filed as soon as a plane takes off even a minute after 11pm.
Actually I had the 380 FRA-JNB cancelled while I was on it. Taxing to the runway we had a medical emergency and were parked to evacuate the passenger. All of that took long enough that anther deicing run was necessary. By the time we were at the runway the captain came on and said... sorry, need to return to the gate.
sucks, but that’s life.
Actually I had the 380 FRA-JNB cancelled while I was on it. Taxing to the runway we had a medical emergency and were parked to evacuate the passenger. All of that took long enough that anther deicing run was necessary. By the time we were at the runway the captain came on and said... sorry, need to return to the gate.
sucks, but that’s life.
Apr 17, 2019, 12:59 pm
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The curfew is clear no go in my opinion. If you live close to an airport you have to accept flight noise emissions.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
That's also why the rents are cheaper. Can't understand those people who are consistently complaining about that. None of them woke up in the morning and all of a sudden an airport was there.
Apr 17, 2019, 9:17 pm
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April 17 LH779 was cancelled. LH778 arrived on time (landed 7min late according to flightradar24).
Any one know the reason for the cancellation ? I am taking this route next week. The trend is quite worrying.
Any one know the reason for the cancellation ? I am taking this route next week. The trend is quite worrying.
Last edited by BrianUA800; Apr 17, 2019 at 9:18 pm Reason: mis type