There are A fares out there that are circa 140 EUR per hour of F flying time on a return ticket.

This thread is about F flight time cost

I beg to differ, F onboard is vastly superior to J, especially so on LH with their close up & cosy seats.... I’m not flying F longhaul for lounges !

Very true, in LH J arrive wrecked & in F refreshed & raring to go ...... unless your on your way to MEX

Yes, people will always fly for differing reasons, however there are huge differences between the F & J cabin & service on LH wether it’s worth it to an individual is a choice.

Back to topic on cost, A tickets often cost less than J

If you also count connections on TG or SQ F to Asia/Australia and get a ticket from MAN, the price can be brought down close to 100 Euro per hour in long-haul F. Probably does not get much better than this.

And when you spend those hours quaffing Krug & Dom, it’s a super deal

Yes, it’s a hard life but someone has to do it

But really at some point the savings aren’t worth it in time sacrificed to make it happen. There were some LX F flights to SIN ex-CAI that had very good fares. But I’m not flying all the way to CAI to make it happen. And feeding me 10,000 calories in booze and steak while sloshing around with my PA doesn’t make up for it. But to each their own.

It’s all really location dependent. I’ve found the CDG F fares to be really good and not too inconvenient to make. Not sure how they price out per hour but I’ve seen flights go for 3300 EUR from there. Not bad at all.

You have to ask yourself whether the sacrifice in your time to make the trip happen is worth the savings. If it’s a difference of 7k EUR, probably worth the sacrifice. If it’s 2k-3k EUR, it’s a bit more difficult. You have to determine how much you value each additional hour consumed.

I totally agree with this, when those North africa fares started to appear I immediately started imagining how to position myself there, but as you said sometimes the inconvenience is simply not worth the money you are saving (for instance going thru immigration in those countries is always a challenge and usually requires some type of bribery) or to play it safe you have to fly the day before and then have to factor in the price of the hotel in the trip. Also positioning flights to North Africa are usually expensive in J and certainly doesn’t make sense for someone who is flying in F afterwards to do it in Y.

I started a thread to talk about the price per hour, simply because the other benefits can be very difficult to quantify (how many hours early you show up at the FCT, what kind of consumption you have there, if you use the day room or not).

From the lots of reviews I’ve read on LH F and from personal experience in several LH J, I think you are very wrong when you say the LH F is only marginally better than LH J. The hard product is not comparable (LH J is actually a very mediocre product when compared with other J cabins) and the soft product I’ve experienced in LH J is not something to sing songs about, so again I have a tough time seeing on how both can even be compared.