flybmi goes under
Feb 17, 2019, 1:43 am
#16
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Cross-posting is of course prohibited so I quote my post on European Airlines forum. This Brexit AND the EU killing them off argument is BS as I wrote here:
Flybmi into administration -all flights cancelled
Flybmi into administration -all flights cancelled
Feb 17, 2019, 1:53 am
#17
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Extremy sad 😔
I used to love the BMI operated wetlease from FRA to MAN, genuinely something to look forward to, better seats, better catering & small crew base so I got to know the CC & they were amazed at the HON limo service since the aircraft always had an outside position.
I used to love the BMI operated wetlease from FRA to MAN, genuinely something to look forward to, better seats, better catering & small crew base so I got to know the CC & they were amazed at the HON limo service since the aircraft always had an outside position.
Feb 17, 2019, 1:57 am
#18
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Christ, I was hoping for a reminiscence of how nice BMI was and all the find memories we have of BMI, then of course we descend into Brexit bickering again. So ....... tiresome. Washing line blew down - BREXIT! Cat's boils burst - BREXIT! Child sneezes on bus without covering face - BREXIT!
Loved BMI, my company had a deal where we automatically got upgraded and lounge access, and the leather armchair seats onboard I just felt like I had arrived. Loved BCal and Dan Dare too! And then BA destroyed it....
Loved BMI, my company had a deal where we automatically got upgraded and lounge access, and the leather armchair seats onboard I just felt like I had arrived. Loved BCal and Dan Dare too! And then BA destroyed it....
Feb 17, 2019, 1:58 am
#19
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Extremy sad 😔
I used to love the BMI operated wetlease from FRA to MAN, genuinely something to look forward to, better seats, better catering & small crew base so I got to know the CC & they were amazed at the HON limo service since the aircraft always had an outside position.
Feb 17, 2019, 5:54 am
#20
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I think it would be nice if we left Brexit and its role in bmi's demise off this thread and maybe parked it somewhere better suited to strong opinions (OMNI).
Some of what they flew was useful, some profitable. Maybe they had too many aircraft, or aircraft too expensive to operate, and couldn't get the right routes to survive.
I'm finding it hard to believe that BRS hasn't demonstrated enough demand for routes to FRA and MUC for LH (Regional) to operate it well. Whether they have the fleet to do that is another question. Routes like BRS-HAM and BRS-DUS, which each ran 6x weekly and collectively carried only 2,000 passengers a month seem to have been closer to follies
Some of what they flew was useful, some profitable. Maybe they had too many aircraft, or aircraft too expensive to operate, and couldn't get the right routes to survive.
I'm finding it hard to believe that BRS hasn't demonstrated enough demand for routes to FRA and MUC for LH (Regional) to operate it well. Whether they have the fleet to do that is another question. Routes like BRS-HAM and BRS-DUS, which each ran 6x weekly and collectively carried only 2,000 passengers a month seem to have been closer to follies
Feb 17, 2019, 6:07 am
#22
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I think it would be nice if we left Brexit and its role in bmi's demise off this thread and maybe parked it somewhere better suited to strong opinions (OMNI).
Some of what they flew was useful, some profitable. Maybe they had too many aircraft, or aircraft too expensive to operate, and couldn't get the right routes to survive.
I'm finding it hard to believe that BRS hasn't demonstrated enough demand for routes to FRA and MUC for LH (Regional) to operate it well. Whether they have the fleet to do that is another question. Routes like BRS-HAM and BRS-DUS, which each ran 6x weekly and collectively carried only 2,000 passengers a month seem to have been closer to follies
Some of what they flew was useful, some profitable. Maybe they had too many aircraft, or aircraft too expensive to operate, and couldn't get the right routes to survive.
I'm finding it hard to believe that BRS hasn't demonstrated enough demand for routes to FRA and MUC for LH (Regional) to operate it well. Whether they have the fleet to do that is another question. Routes like BRS-HAM and BRS-DUS, which each ran 6x weekly and collectively carried only 2,000 passengers a month seem to have been closer to follies
I agree with you regarding the rather mixed bowl of routes and they should have taken corrective action much earlier.
Feb 17, 2019, 6:14 am
#23
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FR24 is showing two (or four?) departures and arrivals to/from Bristol each on Monday at CEG (Harwarden Airport in Wales) where an Airbus factory is located. They are charter flights for Airbus employees and supposed to be operated by bmi Regional and/or Germania, both of which ceased operation within the last two weeks. 
Feb 17, 2019, 6:38 am
#24
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FR24 is showing two (or four?) departures and arrivals to/from Bristol each on Monday at CEG (Harwarden Airport in Wales) where an Airbus factory is located. They are charter flights for Airbus employees and supposed to be operated by bmi Regional and/or Germania, both of which ceased operation within the last two weeks.
Feb 17, 2019, 6:43 am
#25
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According to BBC a family of five flying to MUC on the way to Austria for a skiing holiday had already cleared security in BRS when they found their flight had been cancelled. They were sent by taxi to LHR where they boarded a Lufthansa flight to MUC. They don’t know how they are going to get back.
Feb 17, 2019, 7:51 am
#27
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But you can’t leave out the fact, that nobody knows, on which legal base and even if at all there will be business between the UK and the EU after March 29, which is in less than six weeks. Hard to get money from investors under that perspective, not easy for airlines even without that uncertainty. Relocating the headquarters to an EU country costs money and in the case of flybmi it would really help either.
Feb 17, 2019, 8:10 am
#29
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Perfect place to discuss Brexit and if it was an issue for flybmi: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni...iscussion.html
Feb 17, 2019, 8:25 am
#30
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AFAIR LH used to pay bmi per pax transported on the codeshares, but no regular off take to ensure cash flow. The Airbus traffic was the backbone of the cashflow for the airline, together with some PSO flying in Sweden and the UK. With no clarity on the status of UK registered aircraft being allowed to operate inside the EU27 after Brexit this little airline sadly crashed and burned. The E135/145 fleet is way too small and must have been a serious cash burner. Curious what the crew will do.
As far as people on LH issued tickets go, LH always has a standing waiver to rebook onto flights departing <249 miles away for cancelled flights. For BRS that covers all of England & Wales: Great Circle Mapper
As far as people on LH issued tickets go, LH always has a standing waiver to rebook onto flights departing <249 miles away for cancelled flights. For BRS that covers all of England & Wales: Great Circle Mapper