New mileage chart for redemptions starting May 9
Jan 25, 2019, 6:58 am
#16
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Jan 25, 2019, 9:50 am
#17
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looks like it affects:
The mileage amount on intercontinental flights will increase for return trips in Business Class by a total of 7,000 miles, and 12,000 miles in First Class.
On flights within a continent – with the exception of Europe – the mileage amount for return trips will increase by a total of 5,000 miles. For example, you can fly from Toronto to Los Angeles in Economy Class for 35,000 miles.
The “Round the World” flight award will increase by 10,000 miles in Business Class, and 20,000 miles in First Class.
The “three region” flight award will increase by 10,000 miles in Business Class, and 20,000 miles in First Class.
For members who are residents of Egypt, Algeria, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and the USA, the regular award amounts will apply in the future.
The mileage amount on intercontinental flights will increase for return trips in Business Class by a total of 7,000 miles, and 12,000 miles in First Class.
On flights within a continent – with the exception of Europe – the mileage amount for return trips will increase by a total of 5,000 miles. For example, you can fly from Toronto to Los Angeles in Economy Class for 35,000 miles.
The “Round the World” flight award will increase by 10,000 miles in Business Class, and 20,000 miles in First Class.
The “three region” flight award will increase by 10,000 miles in Business Class, and 20,000 miles in First Class.
For members who are residents of Egypt, Algeria, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia and the USA, the regular award amounts will apply in the future.
Jan 25, 2019, 11:42 am
#18
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I'm very new to M&M but thinking of crediting NZ Z fare tickets. For Premium economy Ex-USA -> Europe what are the surcharges likes ? I'm not able to see any calculations besides miles needed since I have a 0 mileage balance.
Jan 25, 2019, 2:37 pm
#20
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LAX-FRA, JFK-FRA or ORD-FRA in Premium Economy is 40k miles plus 224.20 USD or 245.80 USD via MUC.
Jan 25, 2019, 9:17 pm
#21
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Well at least it's not too extreme. Seems to be 7,000 more in Business and 12,000 more in First. And frankly, the program is so utterly devalued that if they run it down any more they might as well just close it. Not a single person I have met, including relatively frequent flyers, take M&M seriously as a loyalty programme and could never be bothered collecting the way we do. It's just not worth it, I repeatedly hear. I imagine the programme makes money somehow, because otherwise they really would close it down. TBH, I expected the next devaluation to consist of a combination of yet again raising those ridiculous bogus surcharges with an increasing paucity of award seats. I just wish, for once, I could say something solidly positive about M&M. But I just can't. I feel they are simply taking the mickey, taking us for fools.
Last edited by Wtravel; Jan 25, 2019 at 9:25 pm
Jan 26, 2019, 1:26 am
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I guess it only makes sense to credit to M&M for the status benefits of HON/SEN if flying extensively/exclusively on LH group carriers.
Sadly this seems to happen across the industry - I can’t think of a major airline that hasn’t increased award pricing in recent years.
Sadly this seems to happen across the industry - I can’t think of a major airline that hasn’t increased award pricing in recent years.
Jan 26, 2019, 3:34 pm
#23
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Jan 26, 2019, 4:25 pm
#24
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You know, this whole devaluation thing can be a bit deceptive. I remind that the redemption values on STC (Swiss TravelClub) were much higher than they are now. I was a heavy user of STC and those miles tickets to Hong Kong and Australia were not cheap. In those days I redeemed only in Economy. I recall a RAT to Hong Kong being 120,000 in Economy.
Jan 27, 2019, 6:38 am
#25
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The status benefits with HON are great if you fly a lot of short haul - but that is a small sliver of their "loyal" passengers.
Jan 27, 2019, 8:56 am
#26
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Yeah, but honestly I wouldn't even bother with SEN. You get "rewarded" by earning fewer miles than if you were crediting from another *A partner, and it is much harder to achieve *Gold than with other programs. The status benefits are the same as with *G on any other program (almost).
The status benefits with HON are great if you fly a lot of short haul - but that is a small sliver of their "loyal" passengers.
The status benefits with HON are great if you fly a lot of short haul - but that is a small sliver of their "loyal" passengers.
Jan 27, 2019, 9:10 am
#27
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Yeah, but honestly I wouldn't even bother with SEN. You get "rewarded" by earning fewer miles than if you were crediting from another *A partner, and it is much harder to achieve *Gold than with other programs. The status benefits are the same as with *G on any other program (almost).
The status benefits with HON are great if you fly a lot of short haul - but that is a small sliver of their "loyal" passengers.
The status benefits with HON are great if you fly a lot of short haul - but that is a small sliver of their "loyal" passengers.
We’re all different, YMMV, and you may have far more experience than me, but from my point of view and experience, if you’re flying enough to make SEN anyway then you’re absolutely receiving incremental benefits over being *G in another programme but flying LH Group.
Jan 27, 2019, 11:20 am
#28
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It's the combination of inflated award chart and absolutely scandalous cash co-pay that has made me ditch Miles&More and not miss it since.
Jan 27, 2019, 12:44 pm
#30
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Yeah, but honestly I wouldn't even bother with SEN. You get "rewarded" by earning fewer miles than if you were crediting from another *A partner, and it is much harder to achieve *Gold than with other programs. The status benefits are the same as with *G on any other program (almost).
However, I am still critical of recent M&M changes for the worse.