Purposeful slowdown at Frankfurt security line?
Dec 21, 2018, 8:33 am
#46
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Be careful! In many countries it is not legal to take photographs of sensitive areas, such as security checkpoints.
Dec 21, 2018, 3:04 pm
#50
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On a recent connection in FRA, I was really short on time (inbound flight was late) and yet it took long time to go through security even in so-called "fast lane". 10 mins before the departure I was still clearing security where they also decided it'd be a good idea to pull my bag aside and check my laptop too. I still made it on the flight, even though I arrived at the gate exactly at the departure time, they were holding the plane back for a bunch of pax that were also late from their connection from BOS.
Now the question I have. Considering a missed connection might well cause delay to final destination that triggers EC261, how exactly is it determined whose fault the misconnect is? In obvious where the inbound flight is clearly very late, thats clear. But what about my case or indeed the case described here - if the first flight arrives 30 mins before departure of the second flight? What if its parked really far away? How quick are you expected to run through the terminal? And should we be taking any photos/evidence (e.g. of a long security line or passport control line) to proove that misconnect is not our fault?
Now the question I have. Considering a missed connection might well cause delay to final destination that triggers EC261, how exactly is it determined whose fault the misconnect is? In obvious where the inbound flight is clearly very late, thats clear. But what about my case or indeed the case described here - if the first flight arrives 30 mins before departure of the second flight? What if its parked really far away? How quick are you expected to run through the terminal? And should we be taking any photos/evidence (e.g. of a long security line or passport control line) to proove that misconnect is not our fault?
Dec 21, 2018, 3:39 pm
#51
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I don’t think I have ever had to wait more than 10 minutes in MUC. Anyway, the statistical evidence of FRA vs. Rest of German airports still stands
Dec 23, 2018, 1:41 am
#52
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I've transited FRA three times in the last 4 weeks, and had no issues. During the morning peak (longhaul flights arriving and then departing) it can be a bit of a zoo. I only had to pass security once, but seemed normal (5 minutes waiting time). Passport control was fast each time (e-gates with only a one/two people in front of me).
I did notice security seemed slow and more thorough at Nurnberg. Perhaps the security level has been increased recently:
https://de.usembassy.gov/security-me...ravel-alert-2/
Regarding the EU261 compensation discussions - in my opinion the ECJ made the position clear: Duty of care applies, but compensation doesn't - The ruling and wording are below and are regarding bird strikes, but I could see this applying to other delays as well:
I did notice security seemed slow and more thorough at Nurnberg. Perhaps the security level has been increased recently:
https://de.usembassy.gov/security-me...ravel-alert-2/
Regarding the EU261 compensation discussions - in my opinion the ECJ made the position clear: Duty of care applies, but compensation doesn't - The ruling and wording are below and are regarding bird strikes, but I could see this applying to other delays as well:
Originally Posted by ECJ
However, although the air carrier may be required to take certain preventative measures in order to reduce or even prevent the risks of any collisions with birds, it is not responsible for the failure of other entities (such as, inter alia, airport managers or the competent air traffic controllers) to fulfil their obligations to take the preventative measures for which they are responsible.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...%3A62015CC0315
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...%3A62015CC0315
Dec 23, 2018, 3:46 am
#53
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The existence of the FCT is tacit acceptance by LH that FRA is an unequivocally horrible travel experience. If the airport was to the standard of a world class airport, they just wouldn’t need a separate building for F and high status passengers.
Dec 24, 2018, 5:43 am
#54
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Dec 24, 2018, 6:07 am
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Dec 24, 2018, 6:34 am
#56
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And you would lose. Just being present in the picture taken gives you no basis.
Dec 24, 2018, 9:18 am
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Dec 25, 2018, 8:50 am
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Recently I had the pleasure of a NS-S transit in AMS. FRA is a piece of cake compared to that... when you arrive unclean from outside EU security is a nightmare, immigration is clogged without end. There are signs and employees asking EU citizens to go landside to be quicker. Once you are landside you can't just use the first (empty) security checkpoint you come to, even though all the gates are connected airside. No, the scanner at the entry to security rejects you and asks you to walk 500 m to the designated security area of your gate, which in my case was completely full and required 15 minutes to cross. The security area for Schengen just beside the place I came landside was empty. My CDG experience earlier this year was horrid, and I don't want to talk about LHR....
Poor @NewbieRunner has done the footwork already and documented most of FRA. More here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luft...on-thread.html
Poor @NewbieRunner has done the footwork already and documented most of FRA. More here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luft...on-thread.html
Dec 26, 2018, 2:57 am
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@Christefan : Of course dear. Please do some more research... I've not flown much Lufthansa longhaul or thru FRA this year... 
The terror warning on German airports this xmas travel season has messed up all controls badly. Plus airports are unable to find security staff for the low wages they are willing to pay... so they have to go along with the slowness of the staff...
The terror warning on German airports this xmas travel season has messed up all controls badly. Plus airports are unable to find security staff for the low wages they are willing to pay... so they have to go along with the slowness of the staff...