thbe

Lufthansa is complaining at Fraport. Fraport is complaining at the Bundespolizei. And the Bundespolizei is complaining about the private security companies. Actually the Bundespolizei is not able to get a good provider as it is almost impossible under public tender law.

There are plans that Fraport will be responsible for the security controls in the future. They would be able to find a good provider.

mellon

chuckle!

exbayern

I have no idea if this is correct, but I have heard on several times when people complained recently in the queues that 'it is due to the Americans' changing the rules or requiring the screeners to be more thorough. I am not sure if that is just an excuse, though.

At the risk of seeming insensitive, many of the screeners actually speak poor German. I had a run in recently with one who kept insisting that I had a child with me, to my complete puzzlement. The situation became more tense and he kept insisting that I had a child with me, until finally I realised that he meant something else entirely. For us too it is not always easy to interact, if they do not speak German very well. I suppose switching to English would be the better outcome in some cases.

oliver2002

The german consitution accords everyone in Germany the so called ' Persönlichkeitsrecht' which includes 'Recht am eigenen Bild'. So while you are free to film and photograph whatever, you cannot distribute nor publish images that identify others without their explicit consent. This includes employees of an airline and even policemen on duty. So taking photos of anyone and showing it to others without consent is not legal in Germany. Exemptions are only made for „Person der Zeitgeschichte“ ie celebrities, general panorama shots in which indivdiuals happen to be in the picture, or if the person is clearly consenting as shown in the picture (ie waving or smiling into the camera).

hugolover

mozilla

This summer I had a very long layover at FRA and made it my goal to finally understand this airport (well, at least Terminal 1). It is actually possible! I hit my daily exercise goal about 5 times that day, but for every possible route in FRA I can now think of ~3 different alternatives, many involving the SkyLine.

I appreciate that the folks in FRA tend to give you freedom as long as they get the impression that you know what you're doing. Going into C with a BP for A? Give a reasonable explanation, show that you're aware that you're going in the wrong concourse and they send you on your way "of course sir, no problem".

The other topic here has tons of information and advice, but in the end, you need to walk the whole airport by foot to understand this maze. To be honest, I haven't experienced a single airport that is this complex, but it's worth it to get an understanding as the time savers can be significant. The sings - of which most are indeed dynamic - often don't show the shortest routes.

chris63

oliver2002

Recently I had the pleasure of a NS-S transit in AMS. FRA is a piece of cake compared to that... when you arrive unclean from outside EU security is a nightmare, immigration is clogged without end. There are signs and employees asking EU citizens to go landside to be quicker. Once you are landside you can't just use the first (empty) security checkpoint you come to, even though all the gates are connected airside. No, the scanner at the entry to security rejects you and asks you to walk 500 m to the designated security area of your gate, which in my case was completely full and required 15 minutes to cross. The security area for Schengen just beside the place I came landside was empty. My CDG experience earlier this year was horrid, and I don't want to talk about LHR....

Poor @NewbieRunner has done the footwork already and documented most of FRA. More here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luft...on-thread.html

Fabo.sk

That doesn't make sense...

There are two Schengen security checkpoints, one in the main building and one by the temporary check in area.
You can enter through the main checkpoint with any BP, at least any Schengen BP. I know, I've done it loads of times.

Unless it's a within-the-last-two-weeks change, are you sure you didn't try to enter NS again?
(besides, it would make no sense to do it from pax flow perspective. All the lounges are near the main filter; sending premium pax down to temporary building and then back up airside from the lounge would surely mean they'll raise hell immediately)

oliver2002

Arrived with 9W at G or M from BOM on November 23. KL flight to MUC at D50s. Got landside somewhere near M. Tried 'Security Fliter' 4. Rejected with message 'Go to security filter 1'. Same story at SF 3 & 2. Of course SF1 was responsible for departures from D and C so it was a zoo at 7am. In FRA they would have easily let me in thru checks in M and I could have walked thru using the epassport gates.

https://www.schiphol.nl/en/airport-maps/

Fabo.sk

Oh, but there is no airside connection between M and the Schengen gates, M being the separated low-cost pier (that I occasionally forget exists). You'd have to use 1 or 1A indeed.

denhaagflyer

sw1x

My experience in MUC is by far worse. I have encountered several situations at security there that would make Soviet officials proud.

ddartt

On a recent connection in FRA, I was really short on time (inbound flight was late) and yet it took long time to go through security even in so-called "fast lane". 10 mins before the departure I was still clearing security where they also decided it'd be a good idea to pull my bag aside and check my laptop too. I still made it on the flight, even though I arrived at the gate exactly at the departure time, they were holding the plane back for a bunch of pax that were also late from their connection from BOS.

Now the question I have. Considering a missed connection might well cause delay to final destination that triggers EC261, how exactly is it determined whose fault the misconnect is? In obvious where the inbound flight is clearly very late, thats clear. But what about my case or indeed the case described here - if the first flight arrives 30 mins before departure of the second flight? What if its parked really far away? How quick are you expected to run through the terminal? And should we be taking any photos/evidence (e.g. of a long security line or passport control line) to proove that misconnect is not our fault?

fransknorge