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18wheeler_vanrekt Aug 16, 2018 1:41 am

How Does Lufthansa Fill So Many First Class Seats?
 
Most of their longhaul fleet has 8-12 seats in First, including A330, A340-600, A380, and 747-8 aircraft. That’s hundreds of seats per day. Are there really enough wealthy Germans (or Europeans willing to transit in Frankfurt/Munich) to support this capacity?

athome Aug 16, 2018 2:00 am

Number of aircraft with F-seats were reduced dramatically in the last years, as
  1. A330 and A340-300 lost F,
  2. Number of A340-600 was reduced,
  3. A350 have not got F.
In addition LH aircraft have only 8 seats.

LondonElite Aug 16, 2018 2:05 am

There are plenty of wealthy Germans and plenty of corporate contracts that allow senior executives to fly F. And many wealthy others who transit in Germany.

Unterwegs Aug 16, 2018 2:11 am

Also keep in mind that there are not many airlines with F. Their product is pretty good. Especially across the atlantic your choices are limited. LX, AF and SQ (one flight) are also good, BA F is more like business class. AA is subpar. LH does not upgrade freely and the cabin oftehn is sold out.

chris63 Aug 16, 2018 2:32 am

What they don’t sell go in mileage awards & upgrades using miles, vouchers.

denhaagflyer Aug 16, 2018 5:22 am

well, they do not aim to fill up their F cabin at any price.... So they do not always fill them up!

Dover2Golf Aug 16, 2018 6:22 am

You can sometimes get last minute award seats and I mean T-72 so not much good for planning but if you're flexible they are excellent value. In retirement I can be flexible!

trb10 Aug 16, 2018 6:53 am

It's also very reasonably priced in my opinion. I'm flying with them in 1st for £2800 return to Singapore from Bristol via Frankfurt, plus I get a chauffeur drive from home to Bristol. A pretty good deal I'd say.

Often1 Aug 16, 2018 7:14 am

On TATL routes, UA has or is eliminating its F product and replacing it with a single J cabin (Polaris). As a JV product, those who would have booked UA F are pushed to LH. In a JV revenue-sharing model, it does not matter to LH or UA, but the service is operated by UA.

chris63 Aug 16, 2018 8:31 am


Originally Posted by trb10 (Post 30088968)
It's also very reasonably priced in my opinion. I'm flying with them in 1st for £2800 return to Singapore from Bristol via Frankfurt, plus I get a chauffeur drive from home to Bristol. A pretty good deal I'd say.

Thats a remarkable fare ;)

Not many A fares around like that.

arlflyer Aug 16, 2018 10:01 am


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 30088368)
And many wealthy others who transit in Germany.

Yes, especially coming from South Asia. Many of my friends from that part of the world prefer transiting in Europe over the ME3 as they have less concern of negative treatment, and because it breaks up the journey more equally.

Resonant Programmer Aug 16, 2018 10:06 am

The marginal cost of Lufthansa F over J is relatively low. For example, on some dates in October, a SFO-FRA round trip is ~$7600 if F and ~$5900 in J.

My company allows us to purchase discount F as long as it is cheaper than full J. There are a non-negligible number of companies with similar policies, so Lufthansa's F cabins

Lakeviewsteve Aug 16, 2018 11:30 am

I don't believe Lufthansa employees upgrade often because they are charged income tax on the fare difference.

htb Aug 16, 2018 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by 18wheeler_vanrekt (Post 30088328)
Most of their longhaul fleet has 8-12 seats in First, including A330, A340-600, A380, and 747-8 aircraft. That’s hundreds of seats per day. Are there really enough wealthy Germans (or Europeans willing to transit in Frankfurt/Munich) to support this capacity?

I'm not sure why you think only Germans or Europeans would buy First Class tickets. Last time I checked, Americans and Asians are not banned from buying First Class tickets on LH.

And it has already been pointed out that LH planes feature 8 First Class seats -- if they are equipped with First Class seats in the first place.

HTB.

george77300 Aug 16, 2018 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by 18wheeler_vanrekt (Post 30088328)
Most of their longhaul fleet has 8-12 seats in First, including A330, A340-600, A380, and 747-8 aircraft. That’s hundreds of seats per day. Are there really enough wealthy Germans (or Europeans willing to transit in Frankfurt/Munich) to support this capacity?

They have less than BA. BA has 14 seats in First on all B747, all A380, all B777 (except some at LGW), and 8 seats on all the B787-9. They also have 86J seats on half of the 747 with 52J on the others. They have a far more premium configuration than LH generally speaking. Also for both LH and BA some of them might be transferring from parts of Asia/Middle East to America or vice versa and not European at all.


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