Why does Lufthansa hub in FRA/MUC, and not Berlin and/or Hamburg?
Apr 11, 2018, 12:03 pm
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and which government is the pay master of Europe? . and all those offices that you mention are control but the Federal government of Germany and Bayern's parliament is of the 16 state parliaments of Germany which are represented in Berlin (again Berlin) by the Bundesrat ( need to know what is the Bundesrat?).
Apr 11, 2018, 1:08 pm
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[QUOTE=chris63;29629084]
I live In Berlin and we joke about the opening day. you can guest any opening day and it will delay again by a minimum of 2 years or more
Lufthansa did have an aggressive expansion plan for Berlin in 2011 and 2012, with a short haul hub (30 new destinations) in operation along with long haul plans for 2013/2014. It was planned to start in June 2012 with the opening of the new airport/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info.
I rather thought it was in part down to BER not opening, who knows what impact that would have made & incredibly no one seems to know when BER will open even now.....
Thanks for the info.
I rather thought it was in part down to BER not opening, who knows what impact that would have made & incredibly no one seems to know when BER will open even now.....
Apr 11, 2018, 2:27 pm
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Seems that some people are wondering why only FRA and MUC exist as hubs, and not TXL or DUS also.
Maybe it's time to count one's blessings. After all, which other EU countries have more than one bona fide hub to choose from for their mainline carrier? Would anyone really count LYS for AF, LGW for BA or BCN for IB? (sound of crickets chirping...)
Maybe it's time to count one's blessings. After all, which other EU countries have more than one bona fide hub to choose from for their mainline carrier? Would anyone really count LYS for AF, LGW for BA or BCN for IB? (sound of crickets chirping...)
Apr 12, 2018, 10:59 pm
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Düsseldorf could never become a hub because the airport has severe traffic restrictions due to agreements entered into with the surrounding cities and villages (Angerland Vertrag) and it is by far too close to the city. Munich is in the middle of nowhere with plenty of open space. Hamburg once again is in the middle of populated areas.
Apr 12, 2018, 11:10 pm
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I think Frankfurt has an locational advantage not just over Berlin but also over Dusseldorf. I think if you wanted to look at it from a developmental perspective, the interesting question is who benefits most from the increasing economic importance of Eastern Europe (certainly not Dusseldorf, but probably also not Frankfurt).
Apr 12, 2018, 11:13 pm
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But all of these have one in common with Berlin: Neither Ottawa nor Canberra nor Rome nor Washington have anything like the biggest airports in the country,
Apr 12, 2018, 11:20 pm
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and which government is the pay master of Europe? . and all those offices that you mention are control but the Federal government of Germany and Bayern's parliament is of the 16 state parliaments of Germany which are represented in Berlin (again Berlin) by the Bundesrat ( need to know what is the Bundesrat?).
Apr 13, 2018, 5:53 am
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Apr 13, 2018, 6:43 am
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Would not have thought so but you are right, indeed. I personally understand northern Italy to be the by far more active part of the country. The passenger numbers are probably a result of the high density of airports in the northern region of Italy (MXP, LIN, BGY, VRN, TSF, VCE, TRN) compared to only two airports (FCO and CIA) in the heart of Italy.
Apr 13, 2018, 12:25 pm
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Would not have thought so but you are right, indeed. I personally understand northern Italy to be the by far more active part of the country. The passenger numbers are probably a result of the high density of airports in the northern region of Italy (MXP, LIN, BGY, VRN, TSF, VCE, TRN) compared to only two airports (FCO and CIA) in the heart of Italy.
It is also true that Northern Italy has a lot more airports than the Southern part of the country. Milan metro has three, plus there's Turin, Genoa, Verona and Bologna relatively nearby. Beisdes Rome, only Naples is a big destination relatively close by that I can think of.
Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 pm
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Rome is not a good example. While the South is indeed much less economically active than the North of Italy, Rome itself is still well over country average of GDP pp. Only Milan is above.
It is also true that Northern Italy has a lot more airports than the Southern part of the country. Milan metro has three, plus there's Turin, Genoa, Verona and Bologna relatively nearby. Beisdes Rome, only Naples is a big destination relatively close by that I can think of.
It is also true that Northern Italy has a lot more airports than the Southern part of the country. Milan metro has three, plus there's Turin, Genoa, Verona and Bologna relatively nearby. Beisdes Rome, only Naples is a big destination relatively close by that I can think of.
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Apr 16, 2018, 9:02 am
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Frankfurt is a nice market town with 730k inhabitants and certainly number 5 populationwise in Germany. The Frankfurt metro region (even including Mainz, Offenbach and Wiesbaden) does not make Frankfurt anything like Berlin, Rhein-Ruhr or Hamburg. There ain't any German cities comparable with Chicago or Seoul
Apr 16, 2018, 9:17 am
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Probably. The question of the OP showed that quite a few people don't know how Germany works. When comparing other places, in particular the US, with Germany don't believe that distances in Germany are like SFO to BOS or Alaska to Key West. We are a small country. And airports are not built close to any centre because there is a centre but they were built where it is permissible, where it works with the environment and the communities around an airport. We are 80 million people in a sizewise small country full of national parks, cities, mountains and rivers. No deserts, huge plains or empty space around. And you should never forget that we don't depend on airtravel domestically. To get from Germeny's biggest city to our second biggest city (with a bit of thinking you will find out what I am talking about) you will not even find direct flights. And flying from Stuttgart to Frankfurt eg. might well take in total double as long as taking a train. And using public transport from JFK to EWR takes as long as taking public transport from DUS to FRA. Understand the difference?