M&M going revenue based [for award miles on LH group tickets] 12MAR2018
May 20, 2018, 3:00 pm
#241
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CPH
Posts: 106
I can't quite follow the issue with the intra-European flights? I generally don't collect on Miles&More, but just out of curiousity: I recently booked a flight from Munich to Copenhagen with booking class K for around 100€. In the old system this will give you you 125 miles, but in the new system it showed me I'd get more than 400, so at least for the cheaper booking classes it sounds like quite a good improvement?
May 20, 2018, 5:14 pm
#242
Join Date: Feb 2016
Programs: MM, EK, HH, etc.
Posts: 381
May 20, 2018, 5:20 pm
#243
Join Date: Feb 2016
Programs: MM, EK, HH, etc.
Posts: 381
I can't quite follow the issue with the intra-European flights? I generally don't collect on Miles&More, but just out of curiousity: I recently booked a flight from Munich to Copenhagen with booking class K for around 100€. In the old system this will give you you 125 miles, but in the new system it showed me I'd get more than 400, so at least for the cheaper booking classes it sounds like quite a good improvement?
May 21, 2018, 6:36 am
#244
Join Date: May 2017
Location: BRU
Programs: Miles & More FTL
Posts: 39
I can't quite follow the issue with the intra-European flights? I generally don't collect on Miles&More, but just out of curiousity: I recently booked a flight from Munich to Copenhagen with booking class K for around 100€. In the old system this will give you you 125 miles, but in the new system it showed me I'd get more than 400, so at least for the cheaper booking classes it sounds like quite a good improvement?
I recently booked a return ticket (booking class K) BRU-VIE with a stop in ZRH for around 150 €, and received 44 award miles for the BRU-ZRH segment. I'm sure I'll be able to get a nice luggage tag from the WorldShop in a few years!
May 25, 2018, 1:28 am
#245
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: GVA,OPO
Programs: BD the last decent FFP
Posts: 1,856
44... wow.
May 25, 2018, 8:20 am
#246
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: PRG
Programs: LH FTL
Posts: 247
It can be, but that's not always the case. Especially for "cheap" intra-EU flights with a connection, as taxes seem to account for the majority of the price of the ticket.
I recently booked a return ticket (booking class K) BRU-VIE with a stop in ZRH for around 150 €, and received 44 award miles for the BRU-ZRH segment. I'm sure I'll be able to get a nice luggage tag from the WorldShop in a few years!
I recently booked a return ticket (booking class K) BRU-VIE with a stop in ZRH for around 150 €, and received 44 award miles for the BRU-ZRH segment. I'm sure I'll be able to get a nice luggage tag from the WorldShop in a few years!
May 25, 2018, 12:34 pm
#247
Join Date: May 2017
Location: BRU
Programs: Miles & More FTL
Posts: 39
I am still waiting for my inbound flights to be credited (I had to use the M&M mileage request tool).
For the outbound flights :
BRU-ZRH (LX) : 44 miles
ZRH-VIE (OS) : 52 miles
The exact price of the ticket was 136,03 € :
- Fare : 27,00 €
- International Surcharge : 20,00 €
- Airport taxes : 86,82 €
- OPC : 2,21 €
I will likely make it to FTL only at the end of the year, so for now it looks like it's going to be 47 x 4 = 188 miles total - versus 500 miles in the old system (125 x 4).
For the outbound flights :
BRU-ZRH (LX) : 44 miles
ZRH-VIE (OS) : 52 miles
The exact price of the ticket was 136,03 € :
- Fare : 27,00 €
- International Surcharge : 20,00 €
- Airport taxes : 86,82 €
- OPC : 2,21 €
I will likely make it to FTL only at the end of the year, so for now it looks like it's going to be 47 x 4 = 188 miles total - versus 500 miles in the old system (125 x 4).
May 25, 2018, 2:52 pm
#248
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,512
I recently booked a Business return MAN-TYO and had the following options:
MAN-ZRH-NRT (LX)
HND-MUC-MAN (LH)
Books into P on all legs
2,166.08 GBP
Status miles 16,739 miles including executive bonus
Award miles (est) 11,610 miles
or
MAN-CPH-NRT (SK)
NRT-CPH-MAN (SK)
Books into Z on all legs
1,803.21 GBP
Status and award miles (est) 16,286 miles
Z fare on SK earns 2,000 M&M miles on European flights and 1.5 x distance on international flights.
For 350 GBP less but without executive bonus I will collect about 450 fewer status miles and 4,600 more award miles if I fly on SK. With LH's 150% award miles promo I might actually get a similar number of award miles whether I fly LH/LX or SK but I will still be saving 350 GBP by not flying on LX/LH.
So this is what the revenue based system has done to me..
MAN-ZRH-NRT (LX)
HND-MUC-MAN (LH)
Books into P on all legs
2,166.08 GBP
Status miles 16,739 miles including executive bonus
Award miles (est) 11,610 miles
or
MAN-CPH-NRT (SK)
NRT-CPH-MAN (SK)
Books into Z on all legs
1,803.21 GBP
Status and award miles (est) 16,286 miles
Z fare on SK earns 2,000 M&M miles on European flights and 1.5 x distance on international flights.
For 350 GBP less but without executive bonus I will collect about 450 fewer status miles and 4,600 more award miles if I fly on SK. With LH's 150% award miles promo I might actually get a similar number of award miles whether I fly LH/LX or SK but I will still be saving 350 GBP by not flying on LX/LH.
So this is what the revenue based system has done to me..
May 26, 2018, 7:54 am
#249
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: WAW
Programs: A3(*G), Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 2,534
Z fare on SK earns 2,000 M&M miles on European flights and 1.5 x distance on international flights.
For 350 GBP less but without executive bonus I will collect about 450 fewer status miles and 4,600 more award miles if I fly on SK. With LH's 150% award miles promo I might actually get a similar number of award miles whether I fly LH/LX or SK but I will still be saving 350 GBP by not flying on LX/LH.
So this is what the revenue based system has done to me..
May 29, 2018, 1:39 am
#250
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,512
Jun 30, 2018, 11:03 am
#251
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,619
As a data point, all my EW coded flights have been credited according to the old system, and as these flights yielded 500 each that made them much more lucrative.
Similarly, a JP operated itinerary to Moscow via Ljubljana, purchased via the OTA Flugladen, was credited according to the old system, meaning I got a decent amount of miles for G-class. Probably due to the fact that it was a third party booking (and frankly, who would want to use the Adria website?)
Similarly, a JP operated itinerary to Moscow via Ljubljana, purchased via the OTA Flugladen, was credited according to the old system, meaning I got a decent amount of miles for G-class. Probably due to the fact that it was a third party booking (and frankly, who would want to use the Adria website?)
Jul 1, 2018, 3:56 am
#252
Join Date: Mar 2005
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 404
Well, if you believe you would earn more status miles with LH then at least they have succeeded in favourably confusing you with their new system.
Due to the feeder flights, you will earn actually 17881 status miles with LH and 20281 status and award miles with SK.
I predict that LH will listen to NewbieRunner and other customer's demands and reduce the earning of status miles to 25% (like TK) on non-LH flights in the next round of enhancements.
Due to the feeder flights, you will earn actually 17881 status miles with LH and 20281 status and award miles with SK.
I predict that LH will listen to NewbieRunner and other customer's demands and reduce the earning of status miles to 25% (like TK) on non-LH flights in the next round of enhancements.
I recently booked a Business return MAN-TYO and had the following options:
MAN-ZRH-NRT (LX)
HND-MUC-MAN (LH)
Books into P on all legs
2,166.08 GBP
Status miles 16,739 miles including executive bonus
Award miles (est) 11,610 miles
or
MAN-CPH-NRT (SK)
NRT-CPH-MAN (SK)
Books into Z on all legs
1,803.21 GBP
Status and award miles (est) 16,286 miles
Z fare on SK earns 2,000 M&M miles on European flights and 1.5 x distance on international flights.
For 350 GBP less but without executive bonus I will collect about 450 fewer status miles and 4,600 more award miles if I fly on SK. With LH's 150% award miles promo I might actually get a similar number of award miles whether I fly LH/LX or SK but I will still be saving 350 GBP by not flying on LX/LH.
So this is what the revenue based system has done to me..
MAN-ZRH-NRT (LX)
HND-MUC-MAN (LH)
Books into P on all legs
2,166.08 GBP
Status miles 16,739 miles including executive bonus
Award miles (est) 11,610 miles
or
MAN-CPH-NRT (SK)
NRT-CPH-MAN (SK)
Books into Z on all legs
1,803.21 GBP
Status and award miles (est) 16,286 miles
Z fare on SK earns 2,000 M&M miles on European flights and 1.5 x distance on international flights.
For 350 GBP less but without executive bonus I will collect about 450 fewer status miles and 4,600 more award miles if I fly on SK. With LH's 150% award miles promo I might actually get a similar number of award miles whether I fly LH/LX or SK but I will still be saving 350 GBP by not flying on LX/LH.
So this is what the revenue based system has done to me..
Jul 1, 2018, 5:56 am
#253
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: PMI
Programs: BA,LH,CX,EK SPG,IC mainly and a few others
Posts: 1,862
I have an upcoming trip to Asia- If I want to stick with Star Alliance I can fly SQ and get 40K status miles and award miles on my F fare. Or fly LH and earn 47K status miles (due to feeder segments and status bonus) and 35K award miles on my A fare. Or TG and earn the same as SQ which is GBP 1000 cheaper but mean worse connections. Or forget all this freqent flyer malakry and fly EY apartments which is GBP 2000 cheaper and better hard product.
If I am not getting award miles or status miles with M/M, there is no reason to stick with M/M.
Jul 1, 2018, 7:53 am
#254
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,619
Don’t put ideas in their chickenbrains. This whole change was so unnecessary and probably cost stupid amounts of money (like changing the logo). And WHY are many flights taking so long to credit??
Jul 2, 2018, 2:18 am
#255
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: GVA
Programs: A3 *G, LX *G, AF *S
Posts: 761
Indeed - it looks as if crediting has become totally random. Had an OS flight almost 2 weeks (still old miles system) where only the return flight credited. Then a LX/LH mixed flight where LH credited the day after and LX after 3 days. And then a single LH flight which hasn't credited at all after 3 days...