M&M going revenue based [for award miles on LH group tickets] 12MAR2018
Apr 19, 2018, 12:13 am
#212
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Cologne
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 972
the flight was booked just 1.5 weeks ago and booked through egencia
Apr 19, 2018, 1:46 am
#213
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN**, IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 667
Still confused of how award and status miles will be credited, because in the old system (and still for status miles) every segment of a ticket is credited separately. How does this work for a let's say 4-segment ticket (e.g. DUS-MUC-LAX / LAX-FRA-DUS), because there is only one value calculated based on the prize of the complete ticket x 6 (or whatever other factor for other airlines/non-status members etc). I guess the M&M account will then show one line each for each segment for the status miles + exec. bonus and then only one line for the total award miles for the complete ticket? When are the award miles then credited? Only ofter the last segment has been flown? Or are the award miles credited pro rata for each segment?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
Apr 19, 2018, 3:11 am
#214
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: PRG
Programs: LH FTL
Posts: 247
Still confused of how award and status miles will be credited, because in the old system (and still for status miles) every segment of a ticket is credited separately. How does this work for a let's say 4-segment ticket (e.g. DUS-MUC-LAX / LAX-FRA-DUS), because there is only one value calculated based on the prize of the complete ticket x 6 (or whatever other factor for other airlines/non-status members etc). I guess the M&M account will then show one line each for each segment for the status miles + exec. bonus and then only one line for the total award miles for the complete ticket? When are the award miles then credited? Only ofter the last segment has been flown? Or are the award miles credited pro rata for each segment?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
Apr 19, 2018, 3:40 am
#215
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between DM464 and DM463 on the NAPSA26 RNAV TRANS in EDDM
Programs: this and that
Posts: 1,731
i had booked onward connecting flight , return direct..for the onward flight i received award and status miles based on the old system : award and status miles 125+32 exec bonus ..the return was credited based on the new system , around 340 award miles and 125 status miles ..no exec bonus on the status miles for my return flight (which would suck if i flew in a higher booking class)
Apr 20, 2018, 5:19 am
#216
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between DM464 and DM463 on the NAPSA26 RNAV TRANS in EDDM
Programs: this and that
Posts: 1,731
I usually book my flights for business over Amex GBT.
When I download my reciept, only the taxes are shown, the ticket price states IT only. I know it is a coorporate rate and aparently the cost is “hidden”.
how are those tickets valued? No award miles but only status miles?
When I download my reciept, only the taxes are shown, the ticket price states IT only. I know it is a coorporate rate and aparently the cost is “hidden”.
how are those tickets valued? No award miles but only status miles?
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Apr 20, 2018, 6:13 pm
#217
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: DUS/AMS/HAM
Programs: HH-D / IHG-Sp / Marriott-P / LH-SEN / BA-S
Posts: 215
Can I split the miles between programs? Soon I'll take following flights: DUS-FRA-SIN//BKK-FRA-DUS (all LH-metals except DUS-FRA which is codeshare with German railway)
I'd like to credit the BKK-FRA leg to Krisflyer and the rest just to M&M. How do they calculate the partial price?
I'd like to credit the BKK-FRA leg to Krisflyer and the rest just to M&M. How do they calculate the partial price?
Apr 21, 2018, 2:53 am
#218
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between DM464 and DM463 on the NAPSA26 RNAV TRANS in EDDM
Programs: this and that
Posts: 1,731
Can I split the miles between programs? Soon I'll take following flights: DUS-FRA-SIN//BKK-FRA-DUS (all LH-metals except DUS-FRA which is codeshare with German railway)
I'd like to credit the BKK-FRA leg to Krisflyer and the rest just to M&M. How do they calculate the partial price?
I'd like to credit the BKK-FRA leg to Krisflyer and the rest just to M&M. How do they calculate the partial price?
May 2, 2018, 3:04 pm
#219
Join Date: May 2017
Location: BRU
Programs: Miles & More FTL
Posts: 39
Just to report back, I upgraded a few days ago my intra-EU LX ticket booked before March 12th and award miles were calculated according to the new rules, netting me a whopping 280 award miles per segment in business class (P) instead of 750 miles before.
Oh well... That's still better than the 125 miles I would have received in K, I guess.
Oh well... That's still better than the 125 miles I would have received in K, I guess.
May 2, 2018, 3:48 pm
#220
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,598
I just wonder how all of this is going to end up comparable to the Deutsche Bahn bahn.bonus program. With this latter, there’s very little motivation to become a serious points collector, because the redemption options are not very exciting. You never read about anybody raving about the program and it’s not as if they’ve got a choice anyway: if you’re traveling by train, how can you avoid DB?
May 2, 2018, 8:29 pm
#221
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: WAW
Programs: A3(*G), Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 2,534
Just to report back, I upgraded a few days ago my intra-EU LX ticket booked before March 12th and award miles were calculated according to the new rules, netting me a whopping 280 award miles per segment in business class (P) instead of 750 miles before.
Oh well... That's still better than the 125 miles I would have received in K, I guess.
Oh well... That's still better than the 125 miles I would have received in K, I guess.
May 3, 2018, 1:50 am
#222
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stoke on Trent, UK (MAN ), BUE, BKK, DBV
Programs: LH HON***,UA,BA.EK Gold,AV.
Posts: 11,563
May 3, 2018, 3:07 am
#223
Join Date: May 2017
Location: BRU
Programs: Miles & More FTL
Posts: 39
Sorry, my post wasn't clear enough. I should have said "in the old system" rather than "before", which is very confusing.
I upgraded GVA-ZRH-DUS from K to P. My initial ticket would have given me 250 miles (125 + 125, old system). The upgraded ticket in business class gave me 452 miles (172 + 280, new system). Had I stayed in the old system, because my ticket was originally issued before March 12th, I would have received 1250 miles (750 + 500). So, I didn't receive less miles by upgrading, but this is still around three times less than in the old system.
The idea behind my post was just to say that you should be careful if you upgrade your ticket issued before March 12th, as the way award miles are calculated will change, and you might end up with very few extra miles or possibly less than before in some cases.
I upgraded GVA-ZRH-DUS from K to P. My initial ticket would have given me 250 miles (125 + 125, old system). The upgraded ticket in business class gave me 452 miles (172 + 280, new system). Had I stayed in the old system, because my ticket was originally issued before March 12th, I would have received 1250 miles (750 + 500). So, I didn't receive less miles by upgrading, but this is still around three times less than in the old system.
The idea behind my post was just to say that you should be careful if you upgrade your ticket issued before March 12th, as the way award miles are calculated will change, and you might end up with very few extra miles or possibly less than before in some cases.
May 3, 2018, 5:41 am
#224
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stoke on Trent, UK (MAN ), BUE, BKK, DBV
Programs: LH HON***,UA,BA.EK Gold,AV.
Posts: 11,563
I’m not a fan of the March 12 changes
May 3, 2018, 4:06 pm
#225
Join Date: Jul 2016
Programs: QR Platinum OWE, LH SEN
Posts: 91
Still confused of how award and status miles will be credited, because in the old system (and still for status miles) every segment of a ticket is credited separately. How does this work for a let's say 4-segment ticket (e.g. DUS-MUC-LAX / LAX-FRA-DUS), because there is only one value calculated based on the prize of the complete ticket x 6 (or whatever other factor for other airlines/non-status members etc). I guess the M&M account will then show one line each for each segment for the status miles + exec. bonus and then only one line for the total award miles for the complete ticket? When are the award miles then credited? Only ofter the last segment has been flown? Or are the award miles credited pro rata for each segment?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
Most importantly, what will happen if I skip the last segment (which I frequently do for various reasons)? Here, in the old system I just loose the status+award miles for the segment that I did not fly.
Could anybody actually post a screenshot from a multi-segment ticket and its mileage credit from her/his account based on the new system?
