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shipsmail Oct 11, 17 9:22 am

Upgrade from P and Z to First coming
 
It will come back soon. Same procedure like LX. I was told by LH without mentioning a specific date.

NewbieRunner Oct 11, 17 9:59 am

That would be great. I'll remember where I heard it first if when it happens!

chris63 Oct 11, 17 10:51 am


Originally Posted by shipsmail (Post 28919637)
It will come back soon. Same procedure like LX. I was told by LH without mentioning a specific date.

Overdue !
Some of these P for punishment fares which earn same as Y miles are far from cheap ! That you can also not upgrade them with Evouchers is :td:

Good for LX they never went down this customer bashing route ^

athome Oct 11, 17 12:00 pm

Why should LH do this?
1. F is, at least on all the flights I fly F (mainly to/from US), always full.
2. Number of flights / city pairs having F is going to be reduced (A340-600 replacement with A350, most of A330 getting rid of F).

From an LH point of view there would not be any economical sense to do so.

I assume it's more a dream, than reality.

Grog Oct 11, 17 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by athome (Post 28920255)
Why should LH do this?
...
From an LH point of view there would not be any economical sense to do so.

I assume it's more a dream, than reality.

I can see it making sense in LH's world exactly because it won't be usable by flyers. Think about it. No F availability (because of no existence of F or simply because of no availability), then no negative economic impact. An unreachable carrot on the end of a stick. In fact, LH has retained a sucker who might have booked with a different airline, if it weren't for a contrivance.

shipsmail Oct 12, 17 2:14 am


Originally Posted by athome (Post 28920255)
Why should LH do this?
1. F is, at least on all the flights I fly F (mainly to/from US), always full.
2. Number of flights / city pairs having F is going to be reduced (A340-600 replacement with A350, most of A330 getting rid of F).

From an LH point of view there would not be any economical sense to do so.

I assume it's more a dream, than reality.

This dream will come true. It was promised by C. Spohr himself on a LH event recently.

vantage03 Oct 12, 17 4:04 am

Doesn't affect me directly but this is great news for most... I think restrictive premium fares as a concept are nonsense and take away from the premium experience...

Next let's lose non-refundable First Class fares... sure, charge the cancellation fee, but there's nothing First Class about a fare which can't be changed.

MultiFlyer Oct 13, 17 4:59 am


Originally Posted by shipsmail (Post 28922958)
This dream will come true. It was promised by C. Spohr himself on a LH event recently.

Which event?
Did you attend the event?

shipsmail Oct 14, 17 9:33 am


Originally Posted by MultiFlyer (Post 28927449)
Which event?
Did you attend the event?

LH event in DUS, I have attended myself.

worldclubber Oct 14, 17 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by shipsmail (Post 28931610)
LH event in DUS, I have attended myself.

Any word on when? Still have eVouchers to burn...

cfischer Oct 15, 17 5:26 pm

hmmm. Interesting. Not sure this makes sense though. With the upcoming huge F capacity reductions ex-FRA it'll be tough enough to get upgrades from a C-class fare ... not sure they will be a lot of joy from P/Z.

thbe Oct 16, 17 4:00 am

It never made sense to exclude P and Z from upgrades, so it's the right decision.

To allow upgrades from P and Z in general doesn't mean that there will be availability. But there are enough routes, where the passenger load factor in F is low.

worldclubber Oct 16, 17 4:11 am


Originally Posted by thbe (Post 28937450)
But there are enough routes, where the passenger load factor in F is low.

Totally agree that there should be upgrades vom P/Z to F, but where do you see low load factors? I have flown LH F on 4 different routes (RT) this year and the cabins were always at least 4/8, usually more. West coast USA 7/8 or 8/8.

thbe Oct 16, 17 9:49 am


Originally Posted by worldclubber (Post 28937464)
Totally agree that there should be upgrades vom P/Z to F, but where do you see low load factors? I have flown LH F on 4 different routes (RT) this year and the cabins were always at least 4/8, usually more. West coast USA 7/8 or 8/8.

Yes, SFO and LAX are often full or close to be full. But even there awards are available. And if there's availability for awards, it should also be possible to get an upgrade.

I.e. HND and BKK have quite low load factors in F.

chris63 Oct 16, 17 10:19 am


Originally Posted by worldclubber (Post 28937464)
Totally agree that there should be upgrades vom P/Z to F, but where do you see low load factors? I have flown LH F on 4 different routes (RT) this year and the cabins were always at least 4/8, usually more. West coast USA 7/8 or 8/8.

4/8 on some routes & you donít think that warrants a change ?
Try FRA-EZE- FRA I was able to get this on Lifemiles & therefore ahead of LH SEN or HON on a P or Z ticket wanting to upgrade.

LH need to take care of their elites first irrespective of booking class as LX have always done 👍


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