LOT operated by/for Nordica EE [merged]
Jan 28, 2019, 5:22 pm
#181
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Quite from next door.
They consider to left LOT platform AND Miles&More as those things are expensive for them amd do not generate enough revenue. As their almost main business is now to fly for some Sweden municipitalities local routes in Sweden, they want to have “flexible booking system for their network” and LOT is not good for it + is expensive. That is what they CEO recently told. That possibility to go sole EE code is on the table as one strong alternative.
if they “divorce” with LO, there will be 100% no Miles&More with Nordica flights anymore. Except their possible wetlease for LOT (flights LO7xx)
Jan 28, 2019, 8:42 pm
#182
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https://www.err.ee/881837/nordica-ka...ilt-valja-osta
Nordica kaalub ideed lende opereeriv Regional Jet LOT-ilt välja osta - ärileht.ee
/sorry, in Estonian/
Talks about it (and more concrete) was also in different TV talk-shows.
Hopefully LOT have enough power to force Nordica Estonian management do as LOT requires. But you never know.
Previous "marriage" between Nordica and Adria ended very promptly.
Currently Nordica is closing lines from Tallinn.
Last news was, that from end of March will be forever gone TLL-MUC
In October 2018 they lost codeshare with LH and obviously it made demand less (as for absolute most LH tariffs is necessary to use inside EU only LH coded flights).
The cabin crews of Nordica usually try to do their best.
Just the level of possibilities are not even close to Lufthansa as example.
Management is different story....
Jan 29, 2019, 7:12 am
#183
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Publicly it is here:
https://www.err.ee/881837/nordica-ka...ilt-valja-osta
Nordica kaalub ideed lende opereeriv Regional Jet LOT-ilt välja osta - ärileht.ee
/sorry, in Estonian/
Talks about it (and more concrete) was also in different TV talk-shows.
Hopefully LOT have enough power to force Nordica Estonian management do as LOT requires. But you never know.
Previous "marriage" between Nordica and Adria ended very promptly.
Currently Nordica is closing lines from Tallinn.
Last news was, that from end of March will be forever gone TLL-MUC
In October 2018 they lost codeshare with LH and obviously it made demand less (as for absolute most LH tariffs is necessary to use inside EU only LH coded flights).
The cabin crews of Nordica usually try to do their best.
Just the level of possibilities are not even close to Lufthansa as example.
Management is different story....
https://www.err.ee/881837/nordica-ka...ilt-valja-osta
Nordica kaalub ideed lende opereeriv Regional Jet LOT-ilt välja osta - ärileht.ee
/sorry, in Estonian/
Talks about it (and more concrete) was also in different TV talk-shows.
Hopefully LOT have enough power to force Nordica Estonian management do as LOT requires. But you never know.
Previous "marriage" between Nordica and Adria ended very promptly.
Currently Nordica is closing lines from Tallinn.
Last news was, that from end of March will be forever gone TLL-MUC
In October 2018 they lost codeshare with LH and obviously it made demand less (as for absolute most LH tariffs is necessary to use inside EU only LH coded flights).
The cabin crews of Nordica usually try to do their best.
Just the level of possibilities are not even close to Lufthansa as example.
Management is different story....
I get the impression that LOT holds all of the power anyway in the relationship. It seems that Nordica preferred a different party after setting up.
Do you know why they are closing routes from Tallinn?
Jan 30, 2019, 6:18 am
#186
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Nordica sounds like an awful outfit for those upfront (allegedly)
https://www.pprune.org/10374969-post29.html
https://www.pprune.org/10374969-post29.html
Jan 30, 2019, 7:13 am
#187
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Jan 30, 2019, 7:17 am
#188
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Jan 30, 2019, 7:21 am
#189
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I don't think so.
They just close the doors.
And after some time will announce New project of Estonian Airline.
Also for government money. With nice talk about "how important it is to provide direct connections from Tallinn" and after 6-18 months the new company will again start to make everything else then flying from Tallinn.
As somebody will get richer.
They just close the doors.
And after some time will announce New project of Estonian Airline.
Also for government money. With nice talk about "how important it is to provide direct connections from Tallinn" and after 6-18 months the new company will again start to make everything else then flying from Tallinn.
As somebody will get richer.
Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 am
#190
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Nordica is form Estonian side state owned company.
LOT holds 49% share on the Nordica subsidiary.
In Estonia for many people the Nordica is very strange or jus a joke.
When government made the company, the reason was -- to provide as many direct flights form Estonia as possible.
But very soon the focus moved to other businesses in Nordica.
Now they are complaining that there is too big competition and that is reason why they close the routes.
Actually more practical reason is that they do flying to another routes (as local flights in Sweden etc) more and more (as that is our of Estonian public and more far from LOT as well) and they do not have planes for flights from Estonia.
Long time there was lot of problems, that their flights was heavily delayed or cancelled.
Actually for me it becomes good -- Nordica is company who paid me more (as compensation) than I paid them at all.
If looking deeper by business, then Nordica have same problem as many other classic airlines. They do not understand who is their client -- is it more profitable to be as "flag carrier" or as LCC.
I do not think that mix of that will work out.
If you try to sell only very cheap tickets -- it will nor feed full-service-company (or almost-full-service-company) with enough money.
If you cut the service, you will loose customers ready to pay more.
I was on several Nordica flights as business class passenger. Usually only business class passenger.
And was that for them it is a bit a problem -- they do not know how to make a difference between Premium Economy and Business, they do not have recognition of status customers (as currently they are Miles&More airline). It is now fully up of the purser on the flight. Some of them are very good (specially one, who formerly was working long time for Lufthansa).
If you board LOT flights in WAW operated by Nordica I many times heard at gate announcement, that "passengers should not worry as flight will b operated by service level of LOT". And then so it is.
if it is LO8xxx flight, it may be and frequently is, a bit different story.
Jan 30, 2019, 7:50 am
#191
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I think that LOT is problem for Estonian local management as LOT do not allow everything local guys would like to do.
Nordica is form Estonian side state owned company.
LOT holds 49% share on the Nordica subsidiary.
In Estonia for many people the Nordica is very strange or jus a joke.
When government made the company, the reason was -- to provide as many direct flights form Estonia as possible.
But very soon the focus moved to other businesses in Nordica.
Now they are complaining that there is too big competition and that is reason why they close the routes.
Actually more practical reason is that they do flying to another routes (as local flights in Sweden etc) more and more (as that is our of Estonian public and more far from LOT as well) and they do not have planes for flights from Estonia.
Long time there was lot of problems, that their flights was heavily delayed or cancelled.
Actually for me it becomes good -- Nordica is company who paid me more (as compensation) than I paid them at all.
If looking deeper by business, then Nordica have same problem as many other classic airlines. They do not understand who is their client -- is it more profitable to be as "flag carrier" or as LCC.
I do not think that mix of that will work out.
If you try to sell only very cheap tickets -- it will nor feed full-service-company (or almost-full-service-company) with enough money.
If you cut the service, you will loose customers ready to pay more.
I was on several Nordica flights as business class passenger. Usually only business class passenger.
And was that for them it is a bit a problem -- they do not know how to make a difference between Premium Economy and Business, they do not have recognition of status customers (as currently they are Miles&More airline). It is now fully up of the purser on the flight. Some of them are very good (specially one, who formerly was working long time for Lufthansa).
If you board LOT flights in WAW operated by Nordica I many times heard at gate announcement, that "passengers should not worry as flight will b operated by service level of LOT". And then so it is.
if it is LO8xxx flight, it may be and frequently is, a bit different story.
Nordica is form Estonian side state owned company.
LOT holds 49% share on the Nordica subsidiary.
In Estonia for many people the Nordica is very strange or jus a joke.
When government made the company, the reason was -- to provide as many direct flights form Estonia as possible.
But very soon the focus moved to other businesses in Nordica.
Now they are complaining that there is too big competition and that is reason why they close the routes.
Actually more practical reason is that they do flying to another routes (as local flights in Sweden etc) more and more (as that is our of Estonian public and more far from LOT as well) and they do not have planes for flights from Estonia.
Long time there was lot of problems, that their flights was heavily delayed or cancelled.
Actually for me it becomes good -- Nordica is company who paid me more (as compensation) than I paid them at all.
If looking deeper by business, then Nordica have same problem as many other classic airlines. They do not understand who is their client -- is it more profitable to be as "flag carrier" or as LCC.
I do not think that mix of that will work out.
If you try to sell only very cheap tickets -- it will nor feed full-service-company (or almost-full-service-company) with enough money.
If you cut the service, you will loose customers ready to pay more.
I was on several Nordica flights as business class passenger. Usually only business class passenger.
And was that for them it is a bit a problem -- they do not know how to make a difference between Premium Economy and Business, they do not have recognition of status customers (as currently they are Miles&More airline). It is now fully up of the purser on the flight. Some of them are very good (specially one, who formerly was working long time for Lufthansa).
If you board LOT flights in WAW operated by Nordica I many times heard at gate announcement, that "passengers should not worry as flight will b operated by service level of LOT". And then so it is.
if it is LO8xxx flight, it may be and frequently is, a bit different story.
The new CEO decided that routes needed to be cut in order to improve service and instead charter out the planes to other companies. It seems like very strange decision, especially as the CEO wants us to trust them more and use them to fly to/from Tallinn but this is difficult when routes customers use are being cut.
Jan 30, 2019, 7:59 am
#192
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And the "LOT standards" on Nordica are sometimes actually different than on actual LOT. I flew Nordica on a domestic LOT flight in Poland in December (unexpectedly; the scheduled a/c was a Q400, I guess it went #typowyDash ), it was slightly different: they gave away Prince Polos/Frugo jellys before taxiing instead of in air. Plus, you get two inflight magazines.
Jan 30, 2019, 8:26 am
#193
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There's no "should not worry" there, the message is simply "the flight will be operated with LOT service levels", this message is typical for every LOT flight not operated by LOT itself (be it Nordica/RegionalJet, BlueAir, SprintAir or some random ad-hoc wet lease). The only operating airline that was not announced this way was the late EuroLOT.
And the "LOT standards" on Nordica are sometimes actually different than on actual LOT. I flew Nordica on a domestic LOT flight in Poland in December (unexpectedly; the scheduled a/c was a Q400, I guess it went #typowyDash ), it was slightly different: they gave away Prince Polos/Frugo jellys before taxiing instead of in air. Plus, you get two inflight magazines.
And the "LOT standards" on Nordica are sometimes actually different than on actual LOT. I flew Nordica on a domestic LOT flight in Poland in December (unexpectedly; the scheduled a/c was a Q400, I guess it went #typowyDash ), it was slightly different: they gave away Prince Polos/Frugo jellys before taxiing instead of in air. Plus, you get two inflight magazines.
LOT service on Nordica aircraft seems exactly like a regular LOT flight, just with Nordica crew.
Jan 30, 2019, 9:03 am
#194
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