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AJones2000 Jun 19, 16 7:27 pm

Will LH continue to serve CLT for much longer?
 
So yeah, basically above. Are the loads still ok now that US has been AA/OW for a good while?
It is weird how they still serve it (probably) just on O/D.
(But, as a CLT flyer, I like the extra tail and I'm pretty sure the city will do a lot $ wise to keep them here, especially as they want that new int'l terminal)
Regards-
A

malmostoso Jun 19, 16 11:04 pm

As long as BMW and Daimler have factories in South Carolina I think there will be enough premium traffic to keep the route going. Also I think that the area around Raleigh is quite important economically, and I'm sure a lot of German businesses profit from the direct connection on LH.

oliver2002 Jun 20, 16 1:08 am

CLT rever relied on the US hub to for traffic. There was a bit of Central Am/Caribe feed, which continues, as LH has agreements with AA out of DFW/MIA/CLT for onward feeder traffic.

daumueller Jun 20, 16 6:08 pm

I am a regular on that flight and it is always full in business, well booked in first... Hard to understand that it will lose F next year

worldtraveller73 Jun 22, 16 9:36 pm

Wasn't CLT one of the most "declined" airports for passenger traffic in 2015 in USA for American Airlines after the takeover of US Airways? I believe Gary Leff had this in a View from the Wing post last week.

oliver2002 Jun 22, 16 11:55 pm

AA emasculating the former US hub as part of the merger is fairly irrelevant to LHs operation there. Besides the automotive traffic mentioned above the Banking and industrial activity in that region can sustain a wide body a day. US never seriously had any widebody ops out of CLT.

CMK10 Jun 25, 16 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 26818428)
AA emasculating the former US hub as part of the merger is fairly irrelevant to LHs operation there. Besides the automotive traffic mentioned above the Banking and industrial activity in that region can sustain a wide body a day. US never seriously had any widebody ops out of CLT.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, they typically had a half dozen to a dozen widebody flights a day to Europe. But US was an airline that didn't have very many widebodies so it was proportional to their operation.

Ber2dca Jun 26, 16 12:20 pm

CLT always struck me as a route for which a few corporate customers pay and everything else is just the icing on the cake..

CHCflyer Jun 27, 16 4:30 pm

A minority of passengers on this flight is MUC-CLT traffic - the rest is connecting from the LH/LX MUC network. BOM is a big contributor.

flyingmusicianlax Jun 29, 16 2:00 pm

In addition to the business sense in it, why WOULDN'T LH serve CLT when they serve ATL, DTW, and DEN? If there's good business sense, an airline will serve it. There is also a large German ex-pat population here, in addition to the banking and automotive industries.

Madone59 Jun 29, 16 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 26818428)
AA emasculating the former US hub as part of the merger is fairly irrelevant to LHs operation there.

I figured this may have even helped LH a little bit because most of the LUS routes cut from CLT were international. Right?

oliver2002 Aug 27, 18 12:33 am

It seems AA will stop flying PHL-MUC next summer and switch the A332 service to CLT. Of course AA wants to use the flight to fill its hub for onward traffic, but this will bring competition to LH on the BMW/Auto flight to CLT...

CLT Aug 27, 18 12:46 pm

I've always been under the impression that the LH CLT flight was very much oriented from the German point-of-sale. I would find it hard to believe that German companies operating in the Metrolina area would suddenly switch their corporate contracts from LH to AA, especially when LH offers a superior product.

oliver2002 Aug 27, 18 12:50 pm

The BoA related crowd will probably also not terminate in MUC...

klbak2009 Feb 22, 19 10:46 am

Lufthansa Charlotte-Munich
 
Hi. Economy flying clt-munich. What kind of earphones should i bring? Is there a blanket and pillow? Any comments about entertainment or food?

klbak2009 Feb 22, 19 10:51 am

And what kind of headphone plug
 
what kind of headphone plug is used? round or lightening?

8420PR Feb 22, 19 12:35 pm

Headphone plug is 3.5mm. I always bring my own headphones as the crew will collect the LH headphones before landing, which is sometimes annoying when close to the end of a film.

You'll get a pillow and blanket.

I find LH one of the best economy products between Europe and US. Yes, it's still economy and of course nothing special, however there are little touches like full drinks round before the meal and baileys with coffee, combined with an efficient and consistent service.

c5ruzr Mar 29, 19 3:46 pm

MUC - CLT on the A350 Debut: What's the market?
 
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/luft...lotte-flights/

I'm surprised to see/hear Lufthansa is able to defend the Charlotte route after 15 years. It made sense when they had US Airways as a Star Alliance partner, but CLT is not a notoriously high O/D market and CLT is very much One World territory now. Anyone have any insight into the loads and/or theories as to how the Lufthansa group can support a daily route to CLT?

ajeleonard Mar 29, 19 3:53 pm

BMW plant in Greenville, and other German businesses around Charlotte

UAPremExecflyer Mar 29, 19 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by c5ruzr (Post 30944201)
https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/luft...lotte-flights/

I'm surprised to see/hear Lufthansa is able to defend the Charlotte route after 15 years. It made sense when they had US Airways as a Star Alliance partner, but CLT is not a notoriously high O/D market and CLT is very much One World territory now. Anyone have any insight into the loads and/or theories as to how the Lufthansa group can support a daily route to CLT?

Try BMW (building X3, X4, X5, X6 and X7), Mercedes with plants in South Carolina, plus the high-tech "triangle" around Raleigh-Durham https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luft...ch-longer.html

oliver2002 Mar 29, 19 4:20 pm

AA is attacking LH heavily on the rates from US to southern Germany on CLT-MUC. LH is more interested in the CLT-MUC-XXX traffic it gets out of the CLT area. Curious how the new head to head competition that starts next week will pan out in the coming months.

Last year LH had a load factor of 79.3% to CLT as per Destatis. AA to PHL was 75.6% .

Redhat72 Apr 30, 19 6:34 am

Anyone knows which lounge is used for J class passengers at CLT?

cas_de Apr 30, 19 7:54 am


Originally Posted by Redhat72 (Post 31051934)
Anyone knows which lounge is used for J class passengers at CLT?

according to the LH website snack vouchers will be issued at check in. No lounge is listed right now.

Redhat72 Apr 30, 19 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by cas_de (Post 31052221)
according to the LH website snack vouchers will be issued at check in. No lounge is listed right now.

Thanks. It did not work for me when I entered my status. But looks like it only works if you enter the class of travel.
I looked at the CLT airport map and there is only an American Airlines Admiral lounge.

AAguy1979 Apr 30, 19 6:42 pm

I recently took advantage of a ridiculously low AA intro fare ($325) to fly r/t from ORD-MUC via the new CLT flight and I can't imagine LH giving this route to American. Being based in Chicago, LH is my preferred airline to get to Europe and my recent AA flights were a huge disappointment. It seemed like most of the cabin crew were recruited from a North Carolina trailer park - poorly spoken, unprofessional, unfamiliar with the service/cadence of an international flight, and woefully unable to speak more than just a few words of German to those who needed assistance. The poor timing of AA's flights into/returning from Munich as well as the need to land/disembark from a remote stand further illustrates Lufthansa's dominance on this route. I'm sure the connecting passengers when US was a Star Alliance carrier were an added bonus but I can't see Germany-based business travelers EVER choosing AA and ditching LH on this route.

oliver2002 May 1, 19 2:34 am

AA in MUC always had the outside stand together with DL in T1. The reason for this is not LH's power but the result of an audit by the US authorities. CLT is a hub of AA just like PHL, so the power of AA will be to draw in pax thru its network and deliver them to Munich, just like with the PHL service before (which had abysmal load factors due to other reasons). LH can only focus on the CLT area pax and offer them its network ex MUC.The pure CLT-MUC traffic is probably only a third of the business.

Redhat72 May 4, 19 11:12 pm

So I was given a $15 food voucher by LH because there is no lounge option at CLT. Also noticed that there was no separate priority line for business class passengers. I asked two agents and both told me to use the common entry, which took close to 30 minutes to get security done.

goodeats21 Sep 16, 19 12:32 pm

Flying EWR->CLT->MUC this weekend in J.

Is the "no lounge access" situation at CLT still accurate?
Since I will not be checking in at CLT, I guess any vouchers would not be available air-side?

Appreciate any insight.

goodeats21 Sep 19, 19 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 31531405)
Flying EWR->CLT->MUC this weekend in J.

Is the "no lounge access" situation at CLT still accurate?
Since I will not be checking in at CLT, I guess any vouchers would not be available air-side?

Appreciate any insight.

Bumping this as I fly out tomorrow.
Any update on lounge situation at CLT when connecting from another flight?

**EDIT - Disregard the request. I just switched out the flight for a better itinerary, so not routing through CLT anymore.


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