210 mins dom-int MCT at LAX? Really?
Jan 8, 2016, 10:40 am
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210 mins dom-int MCT at LAX? Really?
According to KVS the MCT for a domestic to international DL-LH connection at LAX is 210 minutes. That's 3 1/2 hours! Is this a database error or a joke? Or am I misreading the table below? I know LAX has many terminals but they are all very close together. Has anyone managed to book a DL to LH connection with fewer than 210 minutes?
[KVS Tool 7.9.8 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: LAX/DL-LH]
[KVS Tool 7.9.8 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: LAX/DL-LH]
Code:
DD DI ID II
STANDARD: LAX 070 090 120 120
EXCEPTIONS:
A/L EFF / DISC
DL 01MAR12 --- --- --- 210
LH
DL --- 210 210 ---
LH
---------------------------------------------------------------
[DD] Domestic To Domestic [DEP] Departure Airport
[DI] Domestic To Intl [ARR] Arrival Airport
[ID] Intl To Domestic [A/L] Airline
[II] Intl To Intl [TR] Terminal
[EQP W] Wide-Body Aircraft [EFF] Effective Date
[EQP N] Narrow-Body Aircraft [SUP] Suppressed/Prohibited
Last edited by oliver2002; Jan 8, 2016 at 11:07 am Reason: removed ad link to kvs
Jan 8, 2016, 11:06 am
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Its indeed 3h30:
Code:
>dmdl/lax/lh DMDL/LAX/LH/08JAN16 LAX DL TO LH LAX-LAX FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM DL -LH --- 330 330 330 CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY >dmua/lax/lh DMUA/LAX/LH/08JAN16 LAX UA TO LH LAX-LAX FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM UA 0001-2119 -LH 7440-9415 --- 035 --- --- UA 3250-6539 -LH 7440-9415 --- 035 --- --- UA 0001-2119 W** -LH 7440-9415 --- 040 --- --- CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY >dmaa/lax/lh DMAA/LAX/LH/08JAN16 LAX AA TO LH LAX-LAX FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM AA 6000-9099 - INV INV --- --- AA 8100-8399 - --- --- --- INV CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY >dmha/lax/lh DMHA/LAX/LH/08JAN16 LAX HA TO LH LAX-LAX FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM HA - 130 --- --- --- CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY >dmas/lax/lh DMAS/LAX/LH/08JAN16 LAX AS TO LH LAX-LAX FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM AS 1000-1999 - INV INV INV --- AS 4000-4799 - INV INV INV --- AS - 1 125 145 --- --- AS - 2 125 145 --- --- AS - 3 125 145 --- --- CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY
Jan 8, 2016, 12:10 pm
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Jan 9, 2016, 5:16 am
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Funny thing The Matrix would show this as a valid routing even though the layover is "just" 2 hrs 39 mins. Something's fishy here.
Itinerary
San Francisco (SFO) to Munich (MUC) — Sat, Jan 30
Long layoverOvernight flight
San Francisco (SFO) to Los Angeles (LAX) — Sat, Jan 30
Delta 2765
Dep: 1:15 pm
Arr: 2:36 pm
1h 21m
Boeing 717
First (A)
Snack or Brunch
Layover in LAX
2h 39m
Los Angeles (LAX) to Munich (MUC) — Sat, Jan 30
United 8861
Dep: 5:15 pm
Arr: 1:40 pm
11h 25m
Airbus A340
First (A)
Meal
Itinerary
San Francisco (SFO) to Munich (MUC) — Sat, Jan 30
Long layoverOvernight flight
San Francisco (SFO) to Los Angeles (LAX) — Sat, Jan 30
Delta 2765
Dep: 1:15 pm
Arr: 2:36 pm
1h 21m
Boeing 717
First (A)
Snack or Brunch
Layover in LAX
2h 39m
Los Angeles (LAX) to Munich (MUC) — Sat, Jan 30
United 8861
Dep: 5:15 pm
Arr: 1:40 pm
11h 25m
Airbus A340
First (A)
Meal
Jan 9, 2016, 6:29 am
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According to KVS the MCT for a domestic to international DL-LH connection at LAX is 210 minutes. That's 3 1/2 hours! Is this a database error or a joke? Or am I misreading the table below? I know LAX has many terminals but they are all very close together. Has anyone managed to book a DL to LH connection with fewer than 210 minutes?
[KVS Tool 7.9.8 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: LAX/DL-LH]
[KVS Tool 7.9.8 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: LAX/DL-LH]
Code:
DD DI ID II
STANDARD: LAX 070 090 120 120
EXCEPTIONS:
A/L EFF / DISC
DL 01MAR12 --- --- --- 210
LH
DL --- 210 210 ---
LH
---------------------------------------------------------------
[DD] Domestic To Domestic [DEP] Departure Airport
[DI] Domestic To Intl [ARR] Arrival Airport
[ID] Intl To Domestic [A/L] Airline
[II] Intl To Intl [TR] Terminal
[EQP W] Wide-Body Aircraft [EFF] Effective Date
[EQP N] Narrow-Body Aircraft [SUP] Suppressed/Prohibited
MCT is simply a carrier's willingness to accept the risk of a misconnect of either passenger or luggage.
It is entirely possible that it is the luggage issue. If DL doesn't interline much luggage to LH and only sends a cart over every X minutes, that MCT would allow for the greatest cart spacing between DL and LH flights.
I would never rely on an external database.
Jan 11, 2016, 2:16 pm
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ground services not the problem
to my knowledge this is driven by the understaffed CBP doing immigration and customs. Had to travel with the family, so no Global Entry possible.
2,5hrs in JFK first week of January until you reach the luggage.
2,5hrs in JFK first week of January until you reach the luggage.
Jan 11, 2016, 8:04 pm
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There is no immigration on a domestic to international connection
Jan 12, 2016, 4:45 pm
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http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...t-shuttle.html
Jan 13, 2016, 2:47 am
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I hear your sentiment quite regularly these days and I am certainly not going to defend UA. But it will take some time to overcome my personal inertia with my DL experiences.