M&M going to length to deny status due to system error
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Programs: UA: 1K 1.5MM, DL: DM 3.5MM, LH: exSEN 1MM, Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite, Hertz PresC
Posts: 248
M&M going to length to deny status due to system error
In 2013, I re-qualified for SEN by flying 109607 status miles. Most of my tickets had been purchased via the UA website using LH metal. In March 2014 I received a letter from M&M that 13244 miles were reversed because they had posted to my UA account. I looked up the boarding passes for the flights in question which all showed my SEN number as the account to be credited. When questioning M&M on why they had credited my UA account even though I had requested the miles to go to LH, they just responded with a standard letter about....I shouldn't have booked thru UA and it's my fault that the miles went to UA. M&M was (and is) unwilling to fix the problem that was caused by their system. Even offers to try to get the miles back from UA or to come to any other kind of resolution has been answered by the typically German arrogance of "we don't make mistakes".
So even if you keep your boarding passes for proof of mileage credit, M&M doesn't care. Customer Service at it's finest. One more customer lost which seems to happen quite often these days.
So even if you keep your boarding passes for proof of mileage credit, M&M doesn't care. Customer Service at it's finest. One more customer lost which seems to happen quite often these days.
#3
Join Date: Aug 2005
Programs: LH M&M (was: SEN), UA*G(1K), PC Spire Amb, Marriott Gold (by virtue of UA*G), Accor Gold
Posts: 4,620
Very similar when it happens the other way round. "As a one-time gesture of good will we exceptionally are reversing the mileage credit we have done by mistake". And then the lurkers went on to clarify that "the mileage card provided at the time of booking will be credited", a claim which lacks any basis whatsoever.
Total chaos and nobody willing to take responsibility.
HTB.
Total chaos and nobody willing to take responsibility.
HTB.
#4
Join Date: Dec 2007
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I wonder where they got your UA MP number and how they credited the miles to that account if you have only inserted your M&M number in the booking even if you make the booking on UA.com
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#6
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fort Lauderdale
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When I log in to the UA website to book, I use my UA number since I typically have to take a feeder flight on UA to connect to LH.....no longer. LH is history for me.
#7
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Programs: UA: 1K 1.5MM, DL: DM 3.5MM, LH: exSEN 1MM, Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite, Hertz PresC
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#8
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Eurozone
Programs: LH SEN, HH Gold
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Lufthansa Customer Relation USA
PO Box 425
East Meadow, New York 11554
as well as to...
Henry Bickel
Supervisor, Customer Feedback North America
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
If it's not rectified after that, then send that package to:
Jens Bischof
Vertrieb, Produkt & Marketing
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
#9
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fort Lauderdale
Programs: UA: 1K 1.5MM, DL: DM 3.5MM, LH: exSEN 1MM, Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite, Hertz PresC
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Send copies of everything related to the issue while clearly stating your exact expectations to:
Lufthansa Customer Relation USA
PO Box 425
East Meadow, New York 11554
as well as to...
Henry Bickel
Supervisor, Customer Feedback North America
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
If it's not rectified after that, then send that package to:
Jens Bischof
Vertrieb, Produkt & Marketing
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
Lufthansa Customer Relation USA
PO Box 425
East Meadow, New York 11554
as well as to...
Henry Bickel
Supervisor, Customer Feedback North America
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
If it's not rectified after that, then send that package to:
Jens Bischof
Vertrieb, Produkt & Marketing
Von-Gablenz-Straße 2-6
50679 Köln, Deutschland
{firstname}.{lastname} @ dlh.de
I just spend my last few miles and can now proudly state that I am cured from ever having to fly LH again. After having flown 1MM+ on LH, they lost a loyal customer over 10k incorrectly posted status miles.
#11
Join Date: Aug 2005
Programs: LH M&M (was: SEN), UA*G(1K), PC Spire Amb, Marriott Gold (by virtue of UA*G), Accor Gold
Posts: 4,620
I'm afraid you're right. And that's part of the reason why I went from being almost an LH fan to a seing LH as one of many providers of an exchangeable service.
I believe that must have been intended by LH's move from a loyalty-based scheme to a transaction-based scheme. Or did they think that move won't be mirrored by customers?
HTB.
I believe that must have been intended by LH's move from a loyalty-based scheme to a transaction-based scheme. Or did they think that move won't be mirrored by customers?
HTB.
#12
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Germany
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanfflyer
Trust me they do not care....
I'm afraid you're right. And that's part of the reason why I went from being almost an LH fan to a seing LH as one of many providers of an exchangeable service.
I believe that must have been intended by LH's move from a loyalty-based scheme to a transaction-based scheme. Or did they think that move won't be mirrored by customers?
HTB.
Originally Posted by Germanfflyer
Trust me they do not care....
I'm afraid you're right. And that's part of the reason why I went from being almost an LH fan to a seing LH as one of many providers of an exchangeable service.
I believe that must have been intended by LH's move from a loyalty-based scheme to a transaction-based scheme. Or did they think that move won't be mirrored by customers?
HTB.
#13
Join Date: May 2012
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#15
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SIN
Programs: UA 1K, IHG Plat, Marriott Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 991
Were you by any chance trying to double-dip? Did you book with your MP number, and used it for the feeder flight (to credit to MP), and then somehow changed it to M&M just for the TATL segment?
There are two frequent flyer values on a booking, FQTV and FQTS. FQTV is where the miles are credited; FQTS is which benefits you're using. If you were switching FF numbers mid-travel, what could have happened is that only FQTS was changed (and that's why your BP showed your SEN number - it shows the benefits status and is completely unrelated to crediting) and FQTV was still on MP.
This is why, if your miles are critical to attain your status, you should never ever gamble with dual FF numbers, even at the cost of losing a few benefits.