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Old Dec 10, 2013, 7:09 am
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Unbelievable, Oliver 2002!

Seems that there are Payback Point hunters out there!
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
You can't even imagine what length people go thru to get extra °P on a weekly basis. Just read a bit here: http://www.vielfliegertreff.de/payback-webmiles-co/
Sure, I can tell you popular sites on the web, where people share their most secret secrets for nothing in return but receiving a tool for sharing those secrets... sanity is not defined by numbers of peoples

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The fabled datamining that you seem to be so scared off doesn't exist.
My most dear most respected and most favorite Senior Mod on FT, may I have the slight impoliteness in correcting you?
http://www.loyaltypartner.com/custom.../our-approach/

Analytical customer management

The first step is to identify the potential that a company can open up among its (potential) customers. For this purpose, it must understand the behaviour, requirements and structure of its customers (customer insight). Companies usually have access to a huge volume of customer and transaction data, but this data is rarely compiled and evaluated in a focussed and directed way so that it can be converted into sound customer knowledge that can be used for successful customer orientation. This analytical work serves as the basis for developing successful customer management solutions for marketing, sales and service.
Now, lets look into the pool of data providers, meaning companies participating in PB:
http://www.payback.de/pb/start

What they are collecting:
http://www.payback.de/pb/id/252680/

Now we have Amex bought PayBack:
http://www.loyaltyconsulting.co.uk/l...oyalty-partner

What is in the way of AMEX exploiting PayBack fully, alright, the slight problem of German data protection laws.

But they will disappear soon:
http://lobbyplag.eu/browse/show/a4i2+

When did you pay last time for your lobbyist in Brussels?
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 8:09 am
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Bernie, M&M bought the LPS backend precisely to analyse you that way. It was implemented in Feb 2012. Have you noticed anything so far? They already have two years of data about you... @:-)
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Bernie, M&M bought the LPS backend precisely to analyse you that way. It was implemented in Feb 2012. Have you noticed anything so far? They already have two years of data about you... @:-)
Perhaps the OP has not noticed anything from the NSA either however that still doesn't mean that data privacy is being respected.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Bernie, M&M bought the LPS backend precisely to analyse you that way. It was implemented in Feb 2012. Have you noticed anything so far? They already have two years of data about you... @:-)
Ollie , if you go back in this topic, you will find my acknowledgment of that fact including my acceptance as I have no problem in LH doing that in the frame of their FFP. But FFP means frequent flyer program to me and that indicates its designation for those who fly frequently, at least this is what I have signed up for.

And if you remember, I have noticed certain profiling activities, which you, helpful as always, confirmed with a nice power point

Again, one company which I tend to trust in those matters doing that, yes.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG
Perhaps the OP has not noticed anything from the NSA either however that still doesn't mean that data privacy is being respected.
Well, I have global entry, so the DHS and sundry know me in and out. Amex loves me too, and if the NSA is datamining my FT and FFP activity they are probably filing my data under &.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Well, I have global entry, so the DHS and sundry know me in and out. Amex loves me too, and if the NSA is datamining my FT and FFP activity they are probably filing my data under &.
Well, I don't have global entry, but since I had been in ICN and have a biometric passport, I have little hope that I am totally out of certain systems and who cares if that would be theoretically speaking just available to certain Government agencies doing the "peoples business.." (which is very blurred)

Surely a number of people tend to nihilism in those times, I do not.

If someone loves to have a world I which you get for very little money to know everything about everybody, have at it hoss.

But since that does not reflect the cultural model/vision I and many others adhere to, please allow me to not subordinate to that "new vision", I have seen it elsewhere at work and don't want it.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Well, I have global entry, so the DHS and sundry know me in and out. Amex loves me too, and if the NSA is datamining my FT and FFP activity they are probably filing my data under &.
The difference is you voluntarily opted in to that program.

This is not a matter of roll eyes.

It is simply that once you start running down the slippery slope of ignoring the law and the constitution the place you can end up is very worrisome.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG
The difference is you voluntarily opted in to that program.
Although one could call this an extortion, rather than "voluntary opt-in"
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by Bernie2012
Do you remember the picture of the one eyed guy with the whip you posted here somewhere? Maybe its just an algorithm gone wild that they are sending you this stuff @:-) ()
You mean the famous Gary Larson joke?

That picture must be on the web about Pi x 1 gazillion times.

"the horrible truth behind whipped cream" will give you a great many hits.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
..The fabled datamining that you seem to be so scared off doesn't exist. ...
There is indeed quote an impressive gap between the evil intent and its implementation.

Even the 4th Reich Google has a rather disappointing overview of its foreign spying operations. But that doesn't mean they do not try.

I often wished they would actually be better in tracking me as nothing grosses me out more than the constant bombardment on YouTube with female beauty products and kids stuff ... makes me miss the usual dose of spam for manhood pills, gambling, and fetish smut.
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 1:53 pm
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Even in the US it didn't work for us... the reason behind it is that I kept changing credit cards based on who had better a bonus, so target missed both our kids. Unlike this story about datamining excellence:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirh...er-father-did/
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Old Dec 10, 2013, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
This is a myth because N. American programs managed to get a lot of cash from Chase and Amex which delayed/prolonged/avoided ch 11 situations. In Europe there is not much to be made... look at the recent due diligence info from AB topbonus.
Isn't that the truth......Now the gate lice with any piece of plastic board with near-top tier elites.....
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Old Dec 11, 2013, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Even in the US it didn't work for us... the reason behind it is that I kept changing credit cards based on who had better a bonus, so target missed both our kids. Unlike this story about datamining excellence:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirh...er-father-did/
Thanks for the hilarious and scary article!
It links to the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/ma...ted=1&_r=2&hp&

And this is what totally scares me off:
The desire to collect information on customers is not new for Target or any other large retailer, of course. For decades, Target has collected vast amounts of data on every person who regularly walks into one of its stores. Whenever possible, Target assigns each shopper a unique code — known internally as the Guest ID number — that keeps tabs on everything they buy. “If you use a credit card or a coupon, or fill out a survey, or mail in a refund, or call the customer help line, or open an e-mail we’ve sent you or visit our Web site, we’ll record it and link it to your Guest ID,” Pole said. “We want to know everything we can.”

Also linked to your Guest ID is demographic information like your age, whether you are married and have kids, which part of town you live in, how long it takes you to drive to the store, your estimated salary, whether you’ve moved recently, what credit cards you carry in your wallet and what Web sites you visit. Target can buy data about your ethnicity, job history, the magazines you read, if you’ve ever declared bankruptcy or got divorced, the year you bought (or lost) your house, where you went to college, what kinds of topics you talk about online, whether you prefer certain brands of coffee, paper towels, cereal or applesauce, your political leanings, reading habits, charitable giving and the number of cars you own.
If you follow what is going on in Brussels about the new data privacy regulations and what army of Lobbyists is at war there to bring us exactly the same pathetic US regulations and all in the sole interest of big corporate cash...
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Old Dec 13, 2013, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Even in the US it didn't work for us... the reason behind it is that I kept changing credit cards based on who had better a bonus, so target missed both our kids. Unlike this story about datamining excellence..
I find this saddening for a very different reason than the complaining author. As I get inundated with offers for ladies in different moods and states of their lives, this is just yet another example that next to all larger customer centric industries cater exclusively for women and expect the XYs to be drag-alongs.

Other than the porn industry and the airlines, no one stands up for our needs & rights. So no matter how they behave, they always have my partial support @:-).
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