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A340-600
D-AIHQ - ??JAN18
D-AIHA - 05DEC18
D-AIHR - ???????
A340-300
D-AIGD - 08JAN14
D-AIGH - 11FEB14
D-AIGF - 06MAR14
D-AIGI - 27OCT14
A330-300
D-AIKJ - 02SEP18
A321-231
D-AISE - 19DEC16
A320-211
D-AIPA - 30MAY19
D-AIPB - 25OCT19
D-AIPC - 28OCT19
D-AIPE - 07JAN20
B737-300
D-ABEA - 14JAN14
D-ABXU - 24FEB14
D-ABEW - 18MAR14
D-ABXY - 29APR14
D-ABXX - 10JUN14
D-ABEI - 08DEC15
D-ABEB - 01MAR16
D-ABED - 11OCT16
D-ABEH - 06NOV16
D-ABEN - 06NOV16
D-ABEK - 14DEC16
D-ABEC - 10JAN17
B737-500
D-ABIR - 19JAN14
D-ABIB - 04FEB14
D-ABIH - 09DEC14
D-ABIA - ??JAN15
D-ABIL - 21APR15
D-ABIU - 26AUG15
D-ABIY - 18NOV15
D-ABJB - 01DEC15
D-ABIR - 08DEC15
D-ABIF - 08DEC15
D-ABIS - 08DEC15
D-ABIP - 19JAN16
D-ABIT - 19JAN16
D-ABJB - 19JAN16
D-ABIX - 09FEB16
D-ABIN - 01MAR16
D-ABIW - 22MAR16
B747-400
D-ABVF - 14JAN14
D-ABTH - 18NOV14
D-ABTF - 11DEC14
D-ABVH - 30JUL15
D-ABVK - 14SEP15
D-ABVL - 14OCT15
D-ABVN - 21OCT15
D-ABVP - 04NOV20
D-ABVS - 01DEC20
D-ABVO - 17DEC20
D-ABVR - 21JAN21
D-ABVT - 10FEB21
CRJ701 (LH CityLine)
D-ACPB - 01APR14
D-ACPE - 01JUL14
D-ACPH - 13JAN15
D-ACPR - 19MAY15
D-ACPQ - 20OCT15
D-ACKG - 19JAN21
D-ACKC - 06FEB21
MD-11 (LH Cargo)
D-ALCO - 22JAN14
D-ALCP - 12MAY14
D-ALCR - 14AUG14
D-ALCS - 07JAN15
D-ALCG - 01FEB16
D-ALCM - 28OCT19
D-ALCN - 26NOV19
D-ALCF - 17DEC19
D-ALCJ - 12FEB20
D-ALCH - 19MAR20
D-ALCB - 09DEC20
D-ALCI - 28JAN21
ARJ-100 (LX)
HB-IXR - 02DEC14
HB-IXN - 06JAN15
A340-300 (LX)
HB-JMJ - 12OCT16
HB-JMK - 27APR17
A330-300 (SN)
OO-SFM - 03JAN19
OO-SFZ - 03FEB21
D-AIHQ - ??JAN18
D-AIHA - 05DEC18
D-AIHR - ???????
A340-300
D-AIGD - 08JAN14
D-AIGH - 11FEB14
D-AIGF - 06MAR14
D-AIGI - 27OCT14
A330-300
D-AIKJ - 02SEP18
A321-231
D-AISE - 19DEC16
A320-211
D-AIPA - 30MAY19
D-AIPB - 25OCT19
D-AIPC - 28OCT19
D-AIPE - 07JAN20
B737-300
D-ABEA - 14JAN14
D-ABXU - 24FEB14
D-ABEW - 18MAR14
D-ABXY - 29APR14
D-ABXX - 10JUN14
D-ABEI - 08DEC15
D-ABEB - 01MAR16
D-ABED - 11OCT16
D-ABEH - 06NOV16
D-ABEN - 06NOV16
D-ABEK - 14DEC16
D-ABEC - 10JAN17
B737-500
D-ABIR - 19JAN14
D-ABIB - 04FEB14
D-ABIH - 09DEC14
D-ABIA - ??JAN15
D-ABIL - 21APR15
D-ABIU - 26AUG15
D-ABIY - 18NOV15
D-ABJB - 01DEC15
D-ABIR - 08DEC15
D-ABIF - 08DEC15
D-ABIS - 08DEC15
D-ABIP - 19JAN16
D-ABIT - 19JAN16
D-ABJB - 19JAN16
D-ABIX - 09FEB16
D-ABIN - 01MAR16
D-ABIW - 22MAR16
B747-400
D-ABVF - 14JAN14
D-ABTH - 18NOV14
D-ABTF - 11DEC14
D-ABVH - 30JUL15
D-ABVK - 14SEP15
D-ABVL - 14OCT15
D-ABVN - 21OCT15
D-ABVP - 04NOV20
D-ABVS - 01DEC20
D-ABVO - 17DEC20
D-ABVR - 21JAN21
D-ABVT - 10FEB21
CRJ701 (LH CityLine)
D-ACPB - 01APR14
D-ACPE - 01JUL14
D-ACPH - 13JAN15
D-ACPR - 19MAY15
D-ACPQ - 20OCT15
D-ACKG - 19JAN21
D-ACKC - 06FEB21
MD-11 (LH Cargo)
D-ALCO - 22JAN14
D-ALCP - 12MAY14
D-ALCR - 14AUG14
D-ALCS - 07JAN15
D-ALCG - 01FEB16
D-ALCM - 28OCT19
D-ALCN - 26NOV19
D-ALCF - 17DEC19
D-ALCJ - 12FEB20
D-ALCH - 19MAR20
D-ALCB - 09DEC20
D-ALCI - 28JAN21
ARJ-100 (LX)
HB-IXR - 02DEC14
HB-IXN - 06JAN15
A340-300 (LX)
HB-JMJ - 12OCT16
HB-JMK - 27APR17
A330-300 (SN)
OO-SFM - 03JAN19
OO-SFZ - 03FEB21
LUFTHANSA Fleet Retirement Registry (LH/OS/SN/LX/Cargo)
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Here is the video. I was in TUL yesterday for her arrival as well as to pay final respects to 'CO'
D-ABIB Arrival - pardon the annoying dust spot.
D-ABIB Arrival - pardon the annoying dust spot.
I am also here in Tulsa and I am impressed to see how many aircraft they have been "retiring" to Tulsa.
It is very interesting to see so many aircraft being taken apart.
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I believe they are at either 28 or 29 so far. Another MD-11 soon and I believe a couple more 737s between now and then.
Last edited by LufthansaFlyer; Feb 13, 2014 at 2:00 pm
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Bye bye D-AIGH (two class 343):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
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Bye bye D-AIGH (two class 343):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
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Just for those interested, the depreciation rules of LH group aircraft:
Back in 2011 the annual report was a bit more detailled:
ie 12-14 year old aircraft are worth 10-15% in the books, 14+year old 5%.
This is helpful in reference to the aircraft deployed on some routes and the timing of retrofits that are currently done on aircraft that are either approaching the 12 year mark or older.
Originally Posted by Annual report 2012
New aircraft and spare engines are depreciated over a period of
twelve years to a residual value of 15 per cent.
twelve years to a residual value of 15 per cent.
Flugzeuge Neue Verkehrsflugzeuge werden ber zwlf Jahre
bis auf einen Restbuchwert von 15 Prozent abgeschrieben.
ber die voraussichtliche Nutzungsdauer von zwlf Jahren
hinaus genutzte Verkehrsflugzeuge werden bis auf einen
Restbuchwert von 10 Prozent abgeschrieben. Darber hinaus
werden ber eine Nutzungsdauer von 14 Jahren hinaus
genutzte Verkehrsflugzeuge auf einen Restbuchwert von
5 Prozent abgeschrieben.
Gebraucht erworbene Flugzeuge werden ohne
Bercksichtigung von Restbuchwerten innerhalb von acht
Jahren abgeschrieben. Die Abschreibung der Flugzeuge
bei Zugngen bis einschlielich 2007 erfolgte grundstzlich
degressiv. Bei Zugngen im Geschftsjahr 2008 erfolgte die
Abschreibung in Anlehnung an die genderten steuerlichen
Abschreibungsregeln linear. Zugnge im Geschftsjahr
2009 wurden unter Bercksichtigung des Finanzmarktstabilisierungsgesetzes
wieder degressiv abgeschrieben.
Zugnge werden seit 2010 nunmehr wieder linear abgeschrieben.
bis auf einen Restbuchwert von 15 Prozent abgeschrieben.
ber die voraussichtliche Nutzungsdauer von zwlf Jahren
hinaus genutzte Verkehrsflugzeuge werden bis auf einen
Restbuchwert von 10 Prozent abgeschrieben. Darber hinaus
werden ber eine Nutzungsdauer von 14 Jahren hinaus
genutzte Verkehrsflugzeuge auf einen Restbuchwert von
5 Prozent abgeschrieben.
Gebraucht erworbene Flugzeuge werden ohne
Bercksichtigung von Restbuchwerten innerhalb von acht
Jahren abgeschrieben. Die Abschreibung der Flugzeuge
bei Zugngen bis einschlielich 2007 erfolgte grundstzlich
degressiv. Bei Zugngen im Geschftsjahr 2008 erfolgte die
Abschreibung in Anlehnung an die genderten steuerlichen
Abschreibungsregeln linear. Zugnge im Geschftsjahr
2009 wurden unter Bercksichtigung des Finanzmarktstabilisierungsgesetzes
wieder degressiv abgeschrieben.
Zugnge werden seit 2010 nunmehr wieder linear abgeschrieben.
This is helpful in reference to the aircraft deployed on some routes and the timing of retrofits that are currently done on aircraft that are either approaching the 12 year mark or older.
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Bye bye D-AIGH (two class 343):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9928
Just for those interested, the depreciation rules of LH group aircraft:
...
Back in 2011 the annual report was a bit more detailed:
ie 12-14 year old aircraft are worth 10-15% in the books, 14+year old 5%.
This is helpful in reference to the aircraft deployed on some routes and the timing of retrofits that are currently done on aircraft that are either approaching the 12 year mark or older.
...
Back in 2011 the annual report was a bit more detailed:
ie 12-14 year old aircraft are worth 10-15% in the books, 14+year old 5%.
This is helpful in reference to the aircraft deployed on some routes and the timing of retrofits that are currently done on aircraft that are either approaching the 12 year mark or older.
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In the regulated cost plus accounting era, when airlines had to produce costs, depreciation was, of course, faster.
P.S.
BA used to depreciate over twenty years down to 10 % using the straight line method as well. Delta up to 25, in some cases, 30 years down to 10%
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It did not change, 12 years down to 15% is used since a long time.
In the regulated cost plus accounting era, when airlines had to produce costs, depreciation was, of course, faster.
P.S.
BA used to depreciate over twenty years down to 10 % using the straight line method as well. Delta up to 25, in some cases, 30 years down to 10%
In the regulated cost plus accounting era, when airlines had to produce costs, depreciation was, of course, faster.
P.S.
BA used to depreciate over twenty years down to 10 % using the straight line method as well. Delta up to 25, in some cases, 30 years down to 10%
Accelerated depreciation has usually only second-order effects on accrued expenses and asset values, but when investment decisions are strictly numbers driven, depreciation schedules can affect repair/replace decisions around the margins a little bit.
OTOH, if you believe in the power of cash flows, depreciation schedules are more of an accountant employment thing, and/or maybe a rough reminder of when it is time to think about re-investing in long-term assets.
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If you read the annual reports you will find that LH had to take write offs on 744 and 343s because they had no resale value and the residual book value was higher.
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Yea, with so many carriers dumping their old 744s in that past couple of years, I can believe even parting them out wouldn't make sense in most cases. That 5% residual starts to add up when you dump a bunch of airframes all at once...on the other hand, that is cash long since out the door, and what is a few tens of millions in depreciation expense among friends these days?
#29
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The 343s were bought in two batches: one when the A340 was launched and the German govt pretty much dictated the state owned carrier to buy (1992-96), the second when they were really cheap (1998-2001):
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/L...ctive-a340.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/L...ctive-a340.htm
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According to airfleets.net the oldest was delivered in May 1994.
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