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First Class elimination:
FRA-DXB as of 01JUN14
FRA-SEA as of 01JUL14
FRA-NRT as of Summer 2014
FRA-KIX
FRA-MCO

Cancelled destinations:
2014
Nizhny Novgorod/GOJ
Ekaterinburg
Khartoum
Ho Chi Minh
Busan
2013
Kazan
Perm
Libreville
Pointe Noire
2012
Rostov
Kolkata
Guangzhou
Calgary
2011
Hyderabad

Lufthansa New/Cancelled Routes and Changes

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Nov 17, 2013, 12:35 pm

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Ekaterinburg/SVX cancelled as of 22JAN

According to ch-aviation Ekaterinburg/SVX to end 22JAN.

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Lufthansa (LH, Frankfurt Int'l) will drop Frankfurt Int'l to Ekaterinburg, Russia flights from January 22, 2014 as part of its cost-reduction drive. "We deeply regret that Lufthansa, after ten years of partnership, is withdrawing," Koltsovo spokesman Dmitry Tjuchtin told Russian newswire, RIANovosti. The airport is reportedly in talks with five local carriers to help fill the gap. However, Russian opposition politician, Alexander Burkov, claims the move was politically engineered to favour Russian carriers at the expense of the Germans. "In my opinion, Lufthansa was displaced from the market," he said, adding that the airline's 04h00L departure slot had rendered the flights "uncomfortable" and therefore unviable.

Nov 17, 2013, 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by flo0816

Well now they have to unless they want to spend 450EUR
on the AB flight. I have been traveling that route roughly once a week for 5 years now and I always avoided the train. Delays, canceled trains, unavailable seats...I hate DB!

I used the LH route rarely, but it was convenient...

Nov 19, 2013, 5:41 am

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MUC-POZ increased frequencies

airline route

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Lufthansa from 30MAR14 is increasing Munich – Poznan operation, where overall service increases from 14 to 19 weekly. The new flight operates at night time from Munich.

LH1636 MUC1110 – 1225POZ CR9 x7
LH1638 MUC1500 – 1615POZ CR7 D
LH1640 MUC2135 – 2250POZ CR7 x6

LH1641 POZ0605 – 0725MUC CR7 x7
LH1637 POZ1300 – 1420MUC CR9 x7
LH1639 POZ1645 – 1805MUC CR7 D

Nov 19, 2013, 1:22 pm

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Originally Posted by GBM.flights

According to ch-aviation Ekaterinburg/SVX to end 22JAN.

Intersting, as SVX is featured in the Nov issue of LH Magazin. With claims that they have the most flights there from Germany and such. Editorial board must have some independence from the route planners, perhaps.

Nov 19, 2013, 2:40 pm

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Originally Posted by MichielR

That's definitely the case. BRS became the highlight city (and cover illustration) to LH Magazin in June 2009, 3 months after LH stopped flying there.

Nov 20, 2013, 3:57 am

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Frankfurt – Bergen Service reduction in S14

According to http://airlineroute.net/2013/11/20/lh-frabgo-s14/

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Lufthansa from 30MAR14 is reducing Frankfurt – Bergen service, where it’ll operate 1 daily flight, instead of 3 daily in Summer (2 in Winter).

LH870 FRA1550 – 1755BGO 735 27
LH870 FRA1555 – 1800BGO 735 x27

LH871 BGO1840 – 2050FRA 735 D

Nov 20, 2013, 3:59 am

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Eliminating SGN is another shame. Seems strange that such a booming early stage market cannot support one tag on flight per day.

Nov 20, 2013, 5:22 am

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[...] Seems strange that such a booming early stage market cannot support one tag on flight per day.

IMO that has been LH's pitfall, most booming cut destinations (CAN,CCU,SGN,HYD) were 3 weekly. Half commitment does not seem to pay back.
But I also see tag ons from *A hubs such as BKK and SIN ineffective, SQ and TG networks are there to deliver those.
Why not FRA-HAN-SGN-FRA?

Nov 20, 2013, 6:06 am

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I doubt they would be allowed to fly HAN/SGN by VN.

In any event- I don't know if the tag ons with *A work as well either- anyway giving up on a bunch of Asian destinations as the market expands rapidly in demand does not seem the way forward. And PNH? RGN? This is the customer of tomorrow being handed to the GCC.

Nov 20, 2013, 8:59 am

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EK to SGN (since spring 2012) may be a reason, ok. But a 744 is now sitting +10 hours on the tarmac in BKK. Tag ons seem another voice of cut in the LH budget.

Nov 20, 2013, 10:10 am

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EK to SGN (since spring 2012) may be a reason, ok.

CAPA had an interesting analysis on the topic. My main take away - EK operating a daily 278-seater two-class A330-200 became instantly the third largest carrier from outside Asia serving Vietnam.
Just shows how underserved the market was. And now abandoning seems a good option for LH...

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But a 744 is now sitting +10 hours on the tarmac in BKK. Tag ons seem another voice of cut in the LH budget.

LH will fix that as of 30MAR. Plenty of upset FF with the schedule change.

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Ho Chi Minh City will be suspended while Bangkok will be a turnaround service with an afternoon departure ex-BKK.

LH772 FRA 1735 - 0935+1 BKK 346 D
LH773 BKK 1200 - 1830 FRA 346 D

Last edited by GBM.flights; Nov 20, 2013 at 10:27 am Reason: date of BKK schedule change

Nov 20, 2013, 10:40 am

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Fortunately I have a reservation for mid March therefore overlooked changes.
CAPA as always hits the mark. No wonder the EK SGN-DXB has been a prolific source of opup in my experience.

Nov 20, 2013, 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by GBM.flights

... DXB is in Asia!

Last edited by pogonation; Nov 20, 2013 at 11:09 am

Nov 21, 2013, 9:54 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GBM.flights

IMO that has been LH's pitfall, most booming cut destinations (CAN,CCU,SGN,HYD) were 3 weekly. Half commitment does not seem to pay back.

CCU got 13x weekly EK flights and a daily QR flight in 2011 which effectively killed the LH flight which was 3x in 2006 then 5x in 2007 then daily 2008-10 and then progressed down the ladder in 2010-12.
HYD is a similar story.

Dec 6, 2013, 12:16 am

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Lufthansa New/Cancelled Routes and Changes

On a somewhat related note I am now waiting since 4 weeks to hear from Germanwings for my rebookings on the canceled GVA-TXL. I had made suggestions to be rebooked on LH, but the only thing offered was a refund and telling me i should book Easyjet (which is now more than double the price already). Will wait a bit more but very bad experience.