is LH starting to copy the SQ nonsense???

Old Nov 8, 12, 5:18 am
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is LH starting to copy the SQ nonsense???

when creating another RTW on *A.com, i found that LH 454 FRA-SFO, while letting me book in to first class in february (A340), it shows "downgraded to business" in summer (A380) !
is LH following SQ not letting A class passengers book into fc on A380 or is it a glitch?
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Old Nov 8, 12, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by sunseeker View Post
... i expected to be enlightened on the *A forum, but after hundreds of views, no joy.
somebody here (Oliver?) got any insight?

"is LH starting to copy the SQ nonsense???
when creating another RTW on *A.com, i found that LH 454 FRA-SFO, while letting me book in to first class in february (A340), it shows "downgraded to business" in summer (A380) !
is LH following SQ not letting A class passengers book into fc on A380 or is it a glitch?"
most likely no A class available on your day/flight, hence the downgrade to C...
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Old Nov 8, 12, 1:55 pm
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most likely no A class available on your day/flight, hence the downgrade to C...
most likely, mmhh?
did you try to check ANY date on this route on A380??
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Originally Posted by sunseeker View Post
most likely, mmhh?
did you try to check ANY date on this route on A380??
A is iavailable for example on 14 May 2013:
[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.8.R1/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/GTC/US-V5]
Code:
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
TUE  14 May 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------
LH         454     FRA   09:50     SFO   12:20     388  0   F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 Z9 P9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9
and on 14 June:
[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.8.R1/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/GTC/US-V5]
Code:
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
FRI  14 Jun 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------
LH         454     FRA   09:50     SFO   12:20     388  0   F7 A6 J9 C9 D1 Z0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K0
and on 14 July:
[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.8.R1/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/GTC/US-V5]
Code:
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
SUN  14 Jul 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------
LH         454     FRA   09:50     SFO   12:20     388  0   F8 A6 J9 C9 D9 Z9 P0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 G9 Q9 V4 W4 S4 T4 E4 L4
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Old Nov 8, 12, 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by sunseeker View Post
most likely, mmhh?
did you try to check ANY date on this route on A380??
oh nice, attitude when someone tries to help! ^

Originally Posted by vbroucek View Post
A is iavailable for example on 14 May 2013:

and on 14 June:

and on 14 July:
never trust any availability by KVS or expertflyer. more often than not i found it to be simply wrong... especially ever since LH started to twist knobs on their inventory management...
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never trust any availability by KVS or expertflyer. more often than not i found it to be simply wrong... especially ever since LH started to twist knobs on their inventory management...
Good to know, although I have not had a similar experience. Just out of the curiosity, I asked my trusted TA to do the same search for me few minutes ago and she got exactly same numbers... So in this particular case, I would trust KVS...
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Originally Posted by vbroucek View Post
Good to know, although I have not had a similar experience. Just out of the curiosity, I asked my trusted TA to do the same search for me few minutes ago and she got exactly same numbers... So in this particular case, I would trust KVS...
funny enough i got the same numbers with EF, but only with POS USA. as soon as i switch to POS UK A availability goes down considerably. i would not be surprised if there is none ex germany...
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She used POS Australia...
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Old Nov 9, 12, 1:35 am
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the thing is:
the *A tool is checking availability AFTER you do the routing, but downgrades to C before!
i still smell a rat....
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the thing is:
the *A tool is checking availability AFTER you do the routing, but downgrades to C before!
i still smell a rat....
Incorrect. The *A tool checks availability twice. First when flight options are displayed to select from, and again when you are ready to book (since availability may have changed in the meantime).
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Old Nov 11, 12, 1:18 pm
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i may stand corrected, kiwi, however, my question remains...
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Old Nov 11, 12, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by sunseeker View Post
when creating another RTW on *A.com, i found that LH 454 FRA-SFO, while letting me book in to first class in february (A340), it shows "downgraded to business" in summer (A380) !
is LH following SQ not letting A class passengers book into fc on A380 or is it a glitch?
I have had a few RTW in F (A class) with STAR and never run into this except with SQ and only on the A388.

Have your TA give LH sales a call- they should be able to fix this- up until now anyway they still want to sell FSTARRTW fares.
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