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Old Jul 4, 2012, 8:52 am
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Originally Posted by Rambuster
FRA-CPT will be changed to MUC-CPT this winter.
LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.
Is it known what is the equipment used?
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Old Jul 4, 2012, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by whiskey_sk
Is it known what is the equipment used?
A343 as mentioned in the press release posted above.

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-...icle/2184.html
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Old Jul 4, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Circumknowitall
Originally Posted by Rambuster
LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.
A much nicer experience for the connecting passenger.
Besides a better passenger experience as a plus point, the main reason is:

"As the night flight ban in Frankfurt has been restrictively implemented, in the current summer flight schedule Lufthansa has already reduced departures from Frankfurt during evening hours or advanced them to earlier hours. The evening flight to Cape Town will now be moved from Frankfurt to Munich in the interests of increased flight operation reliability and stability."


If the FRA night flight ban continues to cause headaches, I predict there'll be a few more flights moving down to MUC. Especially come winter when the take-off queue would be even longer due to weather conditions thus resulting in more turn-backs. The only way to avoid this would be to start pushbacks even earlier than they already do, but that can't be done in all cases depending on the previous flight's turnaround times.
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 5:18 am
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Originally Posted by hamallu
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If the FRA night flight ban continues to cause headaches, I predict there'll be a few more flights moving down to MUC.
Munich- the city that just voted not to add an extra runway to airport even though it is badly needed?
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 2:44 pm
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OK, a few factors come in here:

MUC gets more flights because they just got three new A330s which are already with the new product and has no night flight ban which hits the classic FRA (compulsory) night flights (BKK, SIN, JNB, CPT etc) badly.

LH is taking out 10-15% of its capacity to do the refits. Interesting how some complain about the C/F refit being so slow, and in turn about the capacity cuts.

LH is actually adding capacity to the fleet this year as the 3 A330s are pure additions and the 744 retirement pace is not at all matching the already slow 748i delivery pace
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
...LH is taking out 10-15% of its capacity to do the refits. ...
I highly appreciate this ! No complaints here.
In the longterm LH will benefit from this.
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
LH is actually adding capacity to the fleet this year as the 3 A330s are pure additions and the 744 retirement pace is not at all matching the already slow 748i delivery pace
Not forgetting the two A380s which joined the fleet this year. Ten A380s were added in the last two years with only two 744s retiring so far.
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 3:23 pm
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No complaints here either.
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Old Jul 5, 2012, 10:46 pm
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
Not forgetting the two A380s which joined the fleet this year. Ten A380s were added in the last two years with only two 744s retiring so far.
If I am not mistaken, some A343s went! Just for the full picture...
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Old Jul 6, 2012, 11:59 am
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Another factor may be that Lufthansa may becoming more aggressive in Winter cancellations due to fuel prices driving an ever higher percentage of cost. Here's an interesting article in anna.aero about it.
http://www.anna.aero/2012/07/04/grou...opes-airlines/
Given that LH's fleet has a relatively high average age, especially on longhaul (not-counting 388 and 748), it could make sense.
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Old Jul 7, 2012, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by starlicious
Another factor may be that Lufthansa may becoming more aggressive in Winter cancellations due to fuel prices driving an ever higher percentage of cost. Here's an interesting article in anna.aero about it.
http://www.anna.aero/2012/07/04/grou...opes-airlines/
Given that LH's fleet has a relatively high average age, especially on longhaul (not-counting 388 and 748), it could make sense.
Huh? The Capital cost on those aircaft is massive and fuel is hedged, so no one at LH will park aircraft because of fuel... average is pretty good, about 10 744s and some 343s are old, the rest is pretty new: http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Huh? The Capital cost on those aircaft is massive and fuel is hedged, so no one at LH will park aircraft because of fuel... http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm
Hedged is not equal to cheap. And old aircraft just means "aircraft which is written down", e.g no cost of capital any more.
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Old Jul 7, 2012, 2:17 pm
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And: According to that site the average age of LH's fleet is 13 years, which is actually in the upper range. Ryanairs average fleet age is 4 years. And Germanwings', the biggest slasher according to anna.aero, is 6.5. If those guys cancel drastically, why shouldn't Lufthansa do it, if their ageing/written down fleet allows them to?
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Old Jul 7, 2012, 3:00 pm
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Drill down a bit into the details on airfleet. Comparing FR's fleet and parking rationale with a legacy longhaul carrier is quite a stretch....
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Originally Posted by starlicious
And: According to that site the average age of LH's fleet is 13 years, which is actually in the upper range. Ryanairs average fleet age is 4 years. And Germanwings', the biggest slasher according to anna.aero, is 6.5. If those guys cancel drastically, why shouldn't Lufthansa do it, if their ageing/written down fleet allows them to?
There's a difference between parking short-haul 737's (and leasing them) and parking long-haul aircraft.
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