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Lufthansa First Award seats availability [for partner FFPs outside of M&M]

Old May 11, 19, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
You mean this thread? LH F availability to Aeroplan

Unfortunately there is no simple answer to this conundrum: LH can restrict award availability to specific offices, so people trying to find awards on Lufthansa will see different things depending on what partners system they are searching thru. Avianca, United and Aeroplan have far more limited access as say SQ, AI or BR.
Expertflyer says 1 F seat available but UA does not show it. The route I am looking at is HND-FRA on 5/15.
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Old May 11, 19, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by lincoln boy
Expertflyer says 1 F seat available but UA does not show it. The route I am looking at is HND-FRA on 5/15.
LH717? I can see an available award seat in First when logged in as M&M SEN... best of luck that it will clear!
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Old May 11, 19, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by lincoln boy
Expertflyer says 1 F seat available but UA does not show it. The route I am looking at is HND-FRA on 5/15.
Originally Posted by Vixit
LH717? I can see an available award seat in First when logged in as M&M SEN... best of luck that it will clear!
Those 4 F Award Seats are available to all M&M members. Partner Availability only has Y & C:

[KVS Tool 9.3.0/Diamond - Awards/M&M-StarAlliance/DE]
Code:
TYO  Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WED  15 May 2019 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
LH         717     HND   14:05     FRA   18:45     74H  0   FS4  CS9  WS9  YS9
SK         984     NRT   11:10     CPH   15:30     343  0   YS9
 -> SK     1635    CPH   18:15     FRA   19:45     321  0
NH         211     HND   11:35     LHR   16:10     77W  0   CS2
 -> LH     915     LHR   17:30     FRA   20:00     32N  0
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   FS1  CS2  WS9  YS9
 -> LH     119     MUC   19:00     FRA   20:00     321  0
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   FS1  CS2  WS9  YS9
 -> LH     121     MUC   20:00     FRA   21:00     321  0
OS         52      NRT   13:35     VIE   18:35     772  0   CS2  WS7  YS9
 -> LH     1243    VIE   19:10     FRA   20:35     321  0
OS         52      NRT   13:35     VIE   18:35     772  0   WS7  YS9
 -> OS     127     VIE   20:10     FRA   21:40     321  0
LO         80      NRT   10:15     WAW   14:30     789  0   WS2  YS9
 -> LO     379     WAW   17:05     FRA   19:00     734  0
[KVS Tool 9.3.0/Diamond - Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA-Auto]
Code:
HND  Tokyo Haneda Intl JP [RJTT]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WED  15 May 2019 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
LH         717     HND   14:05     FRA   18:45     74H  0   CS+  YS+
NH         211     HND   11:35     LHR   16:10     77W  0   CS+
 -> LH     919     LHR   19:30     FRA   22:00     32N  0   CS+
NH         211     HND   11:35     LHR   16:10     77W  0   CS+
 -> LH     915     LHR   17:30     FRA   20:00     32N  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     119     MUC   19:00     FRA   20:00     321  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     121     MUC   20:00     FRA   21:00     321  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     123     MUC   21:00     FRA   22:00     32A  0   YS+
NH         961     HND   09:05     PEK   12:00     77W  0   CS+
 -> CA     931     PEK   14:00     FRA   18:15     747  0   FS+  CS+
NH         963     HND   17:20     PEK   20:10     788  0   CS+
 -> CA     965     PEK   02:30 +1  FRA   06:50 +1  773  0   FS+
CA         422     HND   21:10     PEK   00:05 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> CA     965     PEK   02:30 +1  FRA   06:50 +1  773  0   FS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     2738    MUC   18:15     DUS   19:25     32A  0   YS+
 -> LH     87      DUS   20:00     FRA   20:50     320  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     2212    MUC   18:30     TXL   19:35     319  0   YS+
 -> LH     171     TXL   20:15     FRA   21:25     320  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     2212    MUC   18:30     TXL   19:35     319  0   YS+
 -> LH     203     TXL   20:45     FRA   21:55     321  0   YS+
LH         715     HND   12:35     MUC   17:35     346  0   YS+
 -> LH     2050    MUC   19:00     TXL   20:05     32A  0   YS+
 -> LH     203     TXL   20:45     FRA   21:55     321  0   YS+
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Old May 11, 19, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Those 4 F Award Seats are available to all M&M members. Partner Availability only has Y & C:

[KVS Tool 9.3.0/Diamond - Awards/M&M-StarAlliance/DE]
Code:
TYO Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WED 15 May 2019   1 Seat

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Award Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------
LH 717 HND 14:05 FRA 18:45 74H 0 FS4 CS9 WS9 YS9
SK 984 NRT 11:10 CPH 15:30 343 0 YS9
-> SK 1635 CPH 18:15 FRA 19:45 321 0
NH 211 HND 11:35 LHR 16:10 77W 0 CS2
-> LH 915 LHR 17:30 FRA 20:00 32N 0
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 FS1 CS2 WS9 YS9
-> LH 119 MUC 19:00 FRA 20:00 321 0
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 FS1 CS2 WS9 YS9
-> LH 121 MUC 20:00 FRA 21:00 321 0
OS 52 NRT 13:35 VIE 18:35 772 0 CS2 WS7 YS9
-> LH 1243 VIE 19:10 FRA 20:35 321 0
OS 52 NRT 13:35 VIE 18:35 772 0 WS7 YS9
-> OS 127 VIE 20:10 FRA 21:40 321 0
LO 80 NRT 10:15 WAW 14:30 789 0 WS2 YS9
-> LO 379 WAW 17:05 FRA 19:00 734 0

[KVS Tool 9.3.0/Diamond - Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA-Auto]
Code:
HND Tokyo Haneda Intl JP [RJTT]
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
WED 15 May 2019   1 Seat

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Award Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------
LH 717 HND 14:05 FRA 18:45 74H 0 CS+ YS+
NH 211 HND 11:35 LHR 16:10 77W 0 CS+
-> LH 919 LHR 19:30 FRA 22:00 32N 0 CS+
NH 211 HND 11:35 LHR 16:10 77W 0 CS+
-> LH 915 LHR 17:30 FRA 20:00 32N 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 119 MUC 19:00 FRA 20:00 321 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 121 MUC 20:00 FRA 21:00 321 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 123 MUC 21:00 FRA 22:00 32A 0 YS+
NH 961 HND 09:05 PEK 12:00 77W 0 CS+
-> CA 931 PEK 14:00 FRA 18:15 747 0 FS+ CS+
NH 963 HND 17:20 PEK 20:10 788 0 CS+
-> CA 965 PEK 02:30 +1 FRA 06:50 +1 773 0 FS+
CA 422 HND 21:10 PEK 00:05 +1 321 0 CS+
-> CA 965 PEK 02:30 +1 FRA 06:50 +1 773 0 FS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 2738 MUC 18:15 DUS 19:25 32A 0 YS+
-> LH 87 DUS 20:00 FRA 20:50 320 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 2212 MUC 18:30 TXL 19:35 319 0 YS+
-> LH 171 TXL 20:15 FRA 21:25 320 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 2212 MUC 18:30 TXL 19:35 319 0 YS+
-> LH 203 TXL 20:45 FRA 21:55 321 0 YS+
LH 715 HND 12:35 MUC 17:35 346 0 YS+
-> LH 2050 MUC 19:00 TXL 20:05 32A 0 YS+
-> LH 203 TXL 20:45 FRA 21:55 321 0 YS+
Good to know. Thank you. I learned something new. So looking at Expertflyer does not tell if I could book with a partner miles (United, Avianca, Aeroplan and so on)?
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Old May 11, 19, 2:23 pm
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so Lufthansa does not release last minute F award availability to partner airlines even when there are F4? I am only looking at HND-FRA routes and things may be different for other routes.
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Old May 12, 19, 6:37 pm
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Did I miss the memo on award travel(M and M) increasing the miles requirement? Business showing 56k now. What’s First now? It’s surprising that I’m seeing no availability in First, I was seeing some available FRA or MUC to LAX/SFO a week ago. Has something changed as far as releasing space in F?

ive fortunately been able to book MUC to SFO, in about 3 weeks, but thru YVR. I keep looking, hoping something nonstop opens up. My miles expire end of June so need to use, but I’m left with just a couple thousand. If mileage requirement goes up, I guess I won’t be able to change unless it’s very minor.
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Old May 12, 19, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by lincoln boy
Good to know. Thank you. I learned something new. So looking at Expertflyer does not tell if I could book with a partner miles (United, Avianca, Aeroplan and so on)?
The LH/LX award availability on EF is at the partner level, not the additional M&M inventory level.
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Old May 13, 19, 1:38 am
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Originally Posted by Jonesdds
Did I miss the memo on award travel(M and M) increasing the miles requirement? Business showing 56k now. Whats First now? Its surprising that Im seeing no availability in First, I was seeing some available FRA or MUC to LAX/SFO a week ago. Has something changed as far as releasing space in F?

ive fortunately been able to book MUC to SFO, in about 3 weeks, but thru YVR. I keep looking, hoping something nonstop opens up. My miles expire end of June so need to use, but Im left with just a couple thousand. If mileage requirement goes up, I guess I wont be able to change unless its very minor.
If you are talking about using M&M miles for awards you seem to have missed this thread. The change was implemented on 9 May 2019 but announced back in January. Business awards to longhaul destinations increased by 7K miles (3.5K oneway) and First awards by12K miles (6K oneway).

The new award chart may be found at:
https://www.miles-and-more.com/conte...N_NEU_0419.pdf
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Old May 13, 19, 2:08 am
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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
The LH/LX award availability on EF is at the partner level, not the additional M&M inventory level.
IIRC EF showed the space available to M&M members some years ago.

Any chance of re-introducing that feature (ideally in addition to *A award space)?
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Old May 13, 19, 4:32 am
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I called LX Senator Line Switzerland which I think is South Africa based and they told me O class is available and don't understand why it is waitlisted, but they can help me with LH flights because its a LH ticket. Of note 2 hours after ticket was issued I was confirmed on LX139 HKG-ZRH with 2 Evouchers on a flight F=7 I applied 1x UA GPU last Tursday afternoon, and stil lwaitlisted - on similar flights upgrade is confirmed withing 24-36 hours
If there a problem? Any recommendations/advice?
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Old May 13, 19, 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by cbourl

I called LX Senator Line Switzerland which I think is South Africa based and they told me O class is available and don't understand why it is waitlisted, but they can help me with LH flights because its a LH ticket. Of note 2 hours after ticket was issued I was confirmed on LX139 HKG-ZRH with 2 Evouchers on a flight F=7 I applied 1x UA GPU last Tursday afternoon, and stil lwaitlisted - on similar flights upgrade is confirmed withing 24-36 hours
If there a problem? Any recommendations/advice?
I'm confused. The screenshot you show is KVS Tools screen scraped M&M award availability. LX can only be upgraded with evouchers, UA GPU only apply to LH flights, but don't use the M&M award inventory. What exactly are you asking?
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Old May 13, 19, 4:45 am
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Should I cancel the Global and reapply it? Or wait? LX Sen line said O class is available Im assuming if awards are aviaalble to M+M and these book into O class then a Global should clear - or am I misguided in my thinking?

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Old May 13, 19, 5:14 am
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LH/LX call centers will see what the system has allowed LH/LX M&M members to have. This is not always the same as for United MP members. If you are waitlisted for O with UA MP GPUs the waitlist will eventually clear.
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Old May 13, 19, 6:03 am
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Ok thanks looks like Ill just have t owait
In the past 5 years every LH upgrade Ive applied with a GPU has cleared within 24-36 hours after applying the Global
On another note, is seating selection no longer possible? It has disappeared from M+M site and lh.com

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Old May 13, 19, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
If you are talking about using M&M miles for awards you seem to have missed this thread. The change was implemented on 9 May 2019 but announced back in January. Business awards to longhaul destinations increased by 7K miles (3.5K oneway) and First awards by12K miles (6K oneway).

The new award chart may be found at:
https://www.miles-and-more.com/conte...N_NEU_0419.pdf
Thank you. Probably read about it back then and forgot.

My wife's account's about 1600 miles short if I wear to find the nonstop I want. I know I can move Marriott points over but that wouldn't make senses. Is there a way to purchase points from M and M directly? Did a search, didn't see anything on their site but the site does really suck now. I'm assume since I need the points available in within a week or two most likely that spending on their credit card won't post soon enough. Other ideas?
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