Lufthansa Long-Haul Business Class launch [merged rationale discussion]
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I have to admit the seat itself looks nice and now that it can be turned to a real flat surface to sleep on that's at least a major +. At least no more slides which make me dread overnight flights. I love 1-2-1 spacing but I understand that is not a reality with LH, there must be some difference between business and first. overall for individual travels I think the middle pair seats would be ok. But i see that there is some space between the seats when fully reclined which would make it possible to get over your seatmate if you are stuck in the window seat.
What most people find weird is the close proximity of your neighbours feet. I must admit it does look a bit too close for unwanted intimacy but as we have not seen the seat installed yet or have experienced it yet in person it could be less worrysome then expected.
What surprises me the most that is no place to but any personal items within reach just like UA C. I'm missing a place to put a spectacle case, book/ticketwallet or for the ladies their beauty items. I see a space under the footrest but I guess this will be a no stowage area so everything must be put in the overhead bin.
Well I'm looking forward which of you lucky guys can make the first FT tried and tested of the new seat.
What most people find weird is the close proximity of your neighbours feet. I must admit it does look a bit too close for unwanted intimacy but as we have not seen the seat installed yet or have experienced it yet in person it could be less worrysome then expected.
What surprises me the most that is no place to but any personal items within reach just like UA C. I'm missing a place to put a spectacle case, book/ticketwallet or for the ladies their beauty items. I see a space under the footrest but I guess this will be a no stowage area so everything must be put in the overhead bin.
Well I'm looking forward which of you lucky guys can make the first FT tried and tested of the new seat.
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No time to write a full report yet, but a little preview of the fotos we made today: https://picasaweb.google.com/1043151...at=directlink#
Your picutres give me a better impression of what is to be expected.
However, I am not sure LH can be proud of their new seat, as especially the QR seat looks much better to me IMHO.
I'm also looking forward to the TG C & F seats on the A380 on FRA-BKK.
I have a feeling I might be flying them quite a bit in the next years!^
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I felt encapsulated in the QR seat to be honest, with a big fat LCD screen stuck in my face If I have to stare at the TG C product in orchid lilac for 10+h to BKK, I will get a migraine . For the EK first suite you certainly need sunglasses Still it was good to see whats out there, sadly didn't have time for the SQ stand
As I tweeted earlier today, the new LH C product is like a VW Passat: functional, does its job, ever so slightly classy, could be better if you had paid more but then you went for a Passat, not an Audi A4 or BMW 3 series. The F product is more VW Phaeton and not Audi A8 or BMW 7 series. Its a compromise LH is trying to make, let see if they succeed with it. An Audi version of the new C would have cost them quite a few seats and investment cash which they don't have. More later.
As I tweeted earlier today, the new LH C product is like a VW Passat: functional, does its job, ever so slightly classy, could be better if you had paid more but then you went for a Passat, not an Audi A4 or BMW 3 series. The F product is more VW Phaeton and not Audi A8 or BMW 7 series. Its a compromise LH is trying to make, let see if they succeed with it. An Audi version of the new C would have cost them quite a few seats and investment cash which they don't have. More later.
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As I tweeted earlier today, the new LH C product is like a VW Passat: functional, does its job, ever so slightly classy, could be better if you had paid more but then you went for a Passat, not an Audi A4 or BMW 3 series. The F product is more VW Phaeton and not Audi A8 or BMW 7 series. Its a compromise LH is trying to make, let see if they succeed with it. An Audi version of the new C would have cost them quite a few seats and investment cash which they don't have. More later.
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SQ and LH seem to both have 'favorable' seats with more legroom: The bulkhead seats on SQ widen the 'foothole' to the whole width of the seat. If you watch the LH promotional video you can see the wider footrest area (I would guess double the width) at the very end of the video where they show the pair of seats in front of the emergency exit rows.
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compared to the shelf with a divider in other rows.
I'm not really sure which is better.
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Spotted at the end of this press release.
Do we believe this? Does it include the A380?
P.S. OK, I've done my sums.
There are (or will be when two more A380s are delivered and 3 744s have left the fleet):
25 x 744
10 x 380
24 x 346
26 x 343
15 x 333
That makes a total of exactly 100 to be retroffited with the new C.
Retrofitting Lufthansa's entire long-haul fleet of more than 100 aircraft is expected to take four years.
P.S. OK, I've done my sums.
There are (or will be when two more A380s are delivered and 3 744s have left the fleet):
25 x 744
10 x 380
24 x 346
26 x 343
15 x 333
That makes a total of exactly 100 to be retroffited with the new C.
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I typically take one long haul RT per year and I am just glad that their new seat is a true lay-flat. Having said that, my husband who takes over five long hauls in LH C per year was not happy when I showed him the seats. Like others he focused on the foot area. He was asking why LH can't go to a 1-2-1 configuration as SQ, his favorite airline, and I told him that I was under the impression that SQ receives subsidies from the Singaporean government and that is why SQ is able to limit C seating rather than squeeze in as many seats as possible.
Also, I've seen rave reviews regarding Swiss on FT over the years, so I am wondering why didn't LH as the parent company just use the Swiss seat for their new C configuration?
Thanks.
Also, I've seen rave reviews regarding Swiss on FT over the years, so I am wondering why didn't LH as the parent company just use the Swiss seat for their new C configuration?
Thanks.
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