SN starts NYC ops, eff 01JUN2012
Dec 27, 2011, 2:51 am
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SN starts NYC ops, eff 01JUN2012
SN loaded their first transatlantic flight from BRU to JFK. Flights will be daily with the Airbus A330-300 which will have the new economy and business class seats (the A333 fleet is being overhauled as we speak).
Schedule:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Opening fares ex-BRU all in:
Economy: 400 EUR (K class)
Business: 2.166 EUR (Z class)
Ex-JFK it seems a "bit" more expensive:
Economy: 994 USD (L class)
Business: 4.204 USD (Z class)
Both out on June 1st and return on June 5th
Schedule:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:
BRU Brussels Metro / National BE = BRU CRL ZYR [EBBR] JFK New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK] MON 25 Jun 2012 - 02 Jul 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- SN 501 BRU 10:20 JFK 12:35 333 0 1234567 08:15 - 1 01 Jun 27 Oct
Code:
JFK New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK] BRU Brussels Metro / National BE = BRU CRL ZYR [EBBR] MON 25 Jun 2012 - 02 Jul 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- SN 502 JFK 17:15 BRU 06:25 +1 333 0 1234567 07:10 1 - 01 Jun 26 Oct
Opening fares ex-BRU all in:
Economy: 400 EUR (K class)
Business: 2.166 EUR (Z class)
Ex-JFK it seems a "bit" more expensive:
Economy: 994 USD (L class)
Business: 4.204 USD (Z class)
Both out on June 1st and return on June 5th
Dec 27, 2011, 8:31 am
#2
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inaugural flight SN501 BRU-JFK
Thanks for sharing Bralo20. Booked the inaugural BRU-JFK SN501 flight on June 1st in Y. New SN A330 cabin will be revealed on Jan 10, 2012. Some rumours indicate it would be similar to the LX cabin? "Flat beds" in C.
Dec 27, 2011, 9:29 am
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Yup, that's correct, from the information I have the cabins will be very similar to LX with (nearly) identical C seats. Also AVOD IFE will be installed with 15" screens in C and 9" screens in Y. The system will be the RAVE system from IMS.
Dec 28, 2011, 5:36 pm
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That's a pretty steep Z fare for such a short flight. I've been flying through FRA (including the silly detour) for around 1600-1900EUR in Z. I'm not sure avoiding the detour is worth that much to me. The detour brings in 4000 miles too (in Z).
Dec 29, 2011, 5:11 am
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Dec 31, 2011, 8:46 pm
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Brussels as a transit airport - Eek!
Hum. A horrible thought about this route struck me as I was making my way out of the A terminal last night: Brussels as a transit airport.
Imagine you arrive from somewhere in Europe at gate A5x and need to connect to the NYC flight at B0x (assuming they'll put it with the other North America bound flights at that end of the B terminal - if they put it at B4x, you're really in for a treat) - that's nearly a half hour walk without security checkpoint. All the way through the A pier, a misconfigured pair of escalators if you don't know to take the lift, past security and through the endless tunnel packed with people blocking the moving carpets, up three flights of misconfigured escalators (again, assuming you don't know to take the lift) and then the most boring corridor in the world to the B terminal.
I can see Brussels "working" as a transit airport if you're going from A to T (Africa), but A to B or vice versa makes Frankfurt or Heathrow look good. Unless they arrange frequent bus service from the far end of A to the middle of B? There's a security checkpoint in the "dead tunnel" on the B arrivals level, but I don't think I've ever seen it operate? Does anyone know how they will make this work? Or will transit passengers be advised to be in good shape for a long hike?
(I've been saying since they built it, that whoever decided that putting the A terminal where it is was a good idea, should be made to walk that tunnel for all eternity. If they were smart, they'd have built it where the control tower is, on the other side of the airfield, and furnished it with check-in, baggage handling and passport control and a train station. Not in the middle of the airfield not connected to anything. Come to think of it, the endless tunnel often feels like an afterthought. Did they even consider the possibility that people might want to get in to the building?)
Imagine you arrive from somewhere in Europe at gate A5x and need to connect to the NYC flight at B0x (assuming they'll put it with the other North America bound flights at that end of the B terminal - if they put it at B4x, you're really in for a treat) - that's nearly a half hour walk without security checkpoint. All the way through the A pier, a misconfigured pair of escalators if you don't know to take the lift, past security and through the endless tunnel packed with people blocking the moving carpets, up three flights of misconfigured escalators (again, assuming you don't know to take the lift) and then the most boring corridor in the world to the B terminal.
I can see Brussels "working" as a transit airport if you're going from A to T (Africa), but A to B or vice versa makes Frankfurt or Heathrow look good. Unless they arrange frequent bus service from the far end of A to the middle of B? There's a security checkpoint in the "dead tunnel" on the B arrivals level, but I don't think I've ever seen it operate? Does anyone know how they will make this work? Or will transit passengers be advised to be in good shape for a long hike?
(I've been saying since they built it, that whoever decided that putting the A terminal where it is was a good idea, should be made to walk that tunnel for all eternity. If they were smart, they'd have built it where the control tower is, on the other side of the airfield, and furnished it with check-in, baggage handling and passport control and a train station. Not in the middle of the airfield not connected to anything. Come to think of it, the endless tunnel often feels like an afterthought. Did they even consider the possibility that people might want to get in to the building?)
Jan 2, 2012, 5:01 am
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I doubt the SN NYC service was put in place to source traffic from the rest of Europe. Its primarily meant to ferry captive BRU customers to NYC.
Jan 2, 2012, 6:20 am
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Hum. A horrible thought about this route struck me as I was making my way out of the A terminal last night: Brussels as a transit airport.
Imagine you arrive from somewhere in Europe at gate A5x and need to connect to the NYC flight at B0x (assuming they'll put it with the other North America bound flights at that end of the B terminal - if they put it at B4x, you're really in for a treat) - that's nearly a half hour walk without security checkpoint. All the way through the A pier, a misconfigured pair of escalators if you don't know to take the lift, past security and through the endless tunnel packed with people blocking the moving carpets, up three flights of misconfigured escalators (again, assuming you don't know to take the lift) and then the most boring corridor in the world to the B terminal.
I can see Brussels "working" as a transit airport if you're going from A to T (Africa), but A to B or vice versa makes Frankfurt or Heathrow look good. Unless they arrange frequent bus service from the far end of A to the middle of B? There's a security checkpoint in the "dead tunnel" on the B arrivals level, but I don't think I've ever seen it operate? Does anyone know how they will make this work? Or will transit passengers be advised to be in good shape for a long hike?
(I've been saying since they built it, that whoever decided that putting the A terminal where it is was a good idea, should be made to walk that tunnel for all eternity. If they were smart, they'd have built it where the control tower is, on the other side of the airfield, and furnished it with check-in, baggage handling and passport control and a train station. Not in the middle of the airfield not connected to anything. Come to think of it, the endless tunnel often feels like an afterthought. Did they even consider the possibility that people might want to get in to the building?)
Imagine you arrive from somewhere in Europe at gate A5x and need to connect to the NYC flight at B0x (assuming they'll put it with the other North America bound flights at that end of the B terminal - if they put it at B4x, you're really in for a treat) - that's nearly a half hour walk without security checkpoint. All the way through the A pier, a misconfigured pair of escalators if you don't know to take the lift, past security and through the endless tunnel packed with people blocking the moving carpets, up three flights of misconfigured escalators (again, assuming you don't know to take the lift) and then the most boring corridor in the world to the B terminal.
I can see Brussels "working" as a transit airport if you're going from A to T (Africa), but A to B or vice versa makes Frankfurt or Heathrow look good. Unless they arrange frequent bus service from the far end of A to the middle of B? There's a security checkpoint in the "dead tunnel" on the B arrivals level, but I don't think I've ever seen it operate? Does anyone know how they will make this work? Or will transit passengers be advised to be in good shape for a long hike?
(I've been saying since they built it, that whoever decided that putting the A terminal where it is was a good idea, should be made to walk that tunnel for all eternity. If they were smart, they'd have built it where the control tower is, on the other side of the airfield, and furnished it with check-in, baggage handling and passport control and a train station. Not in the middle of the airfield not connected to anything. Come to think of it, the endless tunnel often feels like an afterthought. Did they even consider the possibility that people might want to get in to the building?)
Also, this routing would compete with Jet's flights to JFK/EWR, but they are running with good loads anyway, so no problem for 9w, I gather...
Jan 2, 2012, 6:36 am
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9W sources their traffic from India, the European traffic is secondary anyway... although the pricing of flights to YYZ and JFK with LH/SN feeders to BRU is/was fantastic. Plus they are prone to FDs... @:-)
Jan 2, 2012, 8:13 am
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Do you find 1600EUR-1900EUR fares on a regular basis (i.e. outside sales period of Xmas and Easter)? It seems to me that 2100EUR is pretty similar to a Z fare via FRA.
Jan 2, 2012, 8:20 am
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SN loaded their first transatlantic flight from BRU to JFK. Flights will be daily with the Airbus A330-300 which will have the new economy and business class seats (the A333 fleet is being overhauled as we speak).
Schedule:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Schedule:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:
BRU Brussels Metro / National BE = BRU CRL ZYR [EBBR] JFK New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK] MON 25 Jun 2012 - 02 Jul 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- SN 501 BRU 10:20 JFK 12:35 333 0 1234567 08:15 - 1 01 Jun 27 Oct
Code:
JFK New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK] BRU Brussels Metro / National BE = BRU CRL ZYR [EBBR] MON 25 Jun 2012 - 02 Jul 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- SN 502 JFK 17:15 BRU 06:25 +1 333 0 1234567 07:10 1 - 01 Jun 26 Oct
A later departure would be much more convenient for business traffic. You waste almost a day going there (unless you have afternoon meeting in JFK but you are really counting on no delay) and an arrival in BRU at 6AM is too early and you end up in your office at 8AM with a very bad night of sleep. Also, all NA flights leave early from BRU. I am convinced a 3PM departure from BRU and a 10PM departure from JFK would be better.