Lufthansa To Launch Dusseldorf-Tokyo

Old Oct 14, 2011, 10:03 am
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Lufthansa To Launch Dusseldorf-Tokyo

acording to the following article, Lufthansa is launching 6weekly direct flights from Dusseldorf to Tokyo Narita, starting 01.06.2012

LH716 DUS-NRT 1300 0730 DailyexTU
LH717 NRT-DUS 0900 1420 DailyexWE

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http://www.airportzentrale.de/?p=10735
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by lx343
acording to the following article, Lufthansa is launching 6weekly direct flights from Dusseldorf to Tokyo Narita, starting 01.06.2012

LH716 DUS-NRT 1300 0730 DailyexTU
LH717 NRT-DUS 0900 1420 DailyexWE

Source
http://www.airportzentrale.de/?p=10735
As discussed briefly in this thread.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...l#post17160048
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 4:19 pm
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I wonder if LH will be able to pick up some of the japanesse corporate accounts in DUS, who are great loyalists to ANA and JAL
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
I wonder if LH will be able to pick up some of the japanesse corporate accounts in DUS, who are great loyalists to ANA and JAL
LH-ANA Joint-Venture will start from 30OCT11, so basically LH-ANA shares the same clientele.

Meanwhile, reports from Japan claimed that LH is still evaluating this route, and does not rule out operating into Tokyo Haneda Airport.
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Originally Posted by jimyvr
Meanwhile, reports from Japan claimed that LH is still evaluating this route, and does not rule out operating into Tokyo Haneda Airport.
I think the hard part is to go around the eligible operating hours (11pm-7am IIRC).

If LH operate a similar schedule to the NH FRA-HND (HND0100 – 0525FRA1115 – 0645+1HND), that would mean a plane would need to sit at HND for 16+hours

The only other possibility I see not to keep the plane so long at HND would be something like:
DUS1000-0530HND
HND0700-1125DUS

The downsides would be not much connecting traffic to a 10am departure out of DUS (only German Domestic, LHR, MXP seem to be connectable)
And an early departure out HND not allowing intra Japan connections to make this flight.

Is there another possible schedule I'm not thinking of for a DUS-HND?

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Old Oct 20, 2011, 6:45 am
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Here is the schedule from LH

From 1 June 2012
DUS-NRT daily except Tuesdays,
NRT-DUS daily except Wednesdays

LH 716 Düsseldorf 13:00 hours – Tokyo/Narita 07:30 hours

LH 717 Düsseldorf 09:00 hours – Tokyo/Narita 14:20 hours

HND timings are too restrictive. Having used the BA flight only in the HND to LHR direction, I find it very handy.

Connecting through DUS will be a pleasure compared to FRA!!
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by GBM.flights
I think the hard part is to go around the eligible operating hours (11pm-7am IIRC).

If LH operate a similar schedule to the NH FRA-HND (HND0100 – 0525FRA1115 – 0645+1HND), that would mean a plane would need to sit at HND for 16+hours

The only other possibility I see not to keep the plane so long at HND would be something like:
DUS1000-0530HND
HND0700-1125DUS

The downsides would be not much connecting traffic to a 10am departure out of DUS (only German Domestic, LHR, MXP seem to be connectable)
And an early departure out HND not allowing intra Japan connections to make this flight.

Is there another possible schedule I'm not thinking of for a DUS-HND?

GBM
AF has:

AF282 CDG 11:00 - HND 06:55 +1
AF283 HND 01:30 - CDG 06:20

but it's a codeshare and operated by JL.

BA flies their own metal (AFAIK):

BA7 LHR 08:05 - HND 04:55 +1
BA8 HND 06:25 - LHR 10:00

I don't know how popular this flight is. As London Airways they probably don't care about anybody who cannot make the 08:05 flight from LHR. Almost everybody will need to stay near the airport or spend the night at the airport for the 06:25 departure.

I would like to try an overnight flight (instead of a very "short" overnight flight EUR-JPN, or a long day flight JPN-EUR) but BA's timing doesn't seem attractive to me.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 6:57 am
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Code:
TN01JUNDUSTYO/ALH                                                               
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TYO TOKYO.JP                      01JUN12 08JUN12  
 1   LH 716  X2   DUS   NRT 1  1300    0730+1 0 01JUN12 06OCT12 343 11:30       
 
TN02JUNTYODUS/ALH                                                               
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** DUS DUESSELDORF.DE                02JUN12 09JUN12  
 1   LH 717  X3   NRT 1 DUS    0901    1420   0 02JUN12 07OCT12 343 12:19
Strange that they timed it to to fly all day. Oh well. Interesting is the timing to allow transits in DUS. AFAIR the DUS longhauls were all aimed at local captive pax.
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Old Oct 20, 2011, 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002
Strange that they timed it to to fly all day. Oh well. Interesting is the timing to allow transits in DUS. AFAIR the DUS longhauls were all aimed at local captive pax.
But the timing is not very different from FRA-NRT.

FRA 13:40 - NRT 07:40 +1
NRT 09:30 - FRA 14:20

MAN-DUS-ORD is usually the cheapest option between MAN and ORD.
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
AF has:

AF282 CDG 11:00 - HND 06:55 +1
AF283 HND 01:30 - CDG 06:20

but it's a codeshare and operated by JL.
Right, as it's not AF metal they don't face the issue of a parked plane for 18hours at HND

Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
BA flies their own metal (AFAIK):

BA7 LHR 08:05 - HND 04:55 +1
BA8 HND 06:25 - LHR 10:00

I don't know how popular this flight is. As London Airways they probably don't care about anybody who cannot make the 08:05 flight from LHR. Almost everybody will need to stay near the airport or spend the night at the airport for the 06:25 departure.
I agree BA cares less about connecting pax for that 08:05 LHR departure since it will probably have a lot of origin LHR traffic, and there is the NRT plane for any connecting pax at 12:25.

I just don't know if DUS would generate enough origin traffic to follow that model.

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Old Oct 21, 2011, 2:51 am
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Originally Posted by oliver2002

Strange that they timed it to to fly all day. Oh well. Interesting is the timing to allow transits in DUS. AFAIR the DUS longhauls were all aimed at local captive pax.
I disagree. The North American flights, both inbound and inbound are full of connecting passengers.

The early flight DUS-VIE is usually packed with people who came off the EWR flight and the other way around, there are plenty of pax onboard that want to make it to EWR, ORD, etc....

And it's not just on the VIE flights that I get that impression....
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Old Oct 21, 2011, 2:42 pm
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On a side note, DUS EWR and DUS ORD will switch to 343 from 01JUN12
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Old Oct 21, 2011, 5:18 pm
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I've flown BA7/8 once shortly after the earthquake. It's full in Y W, half full in J and I was the only person in F.

Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
AF has:

AF282 CDG 11:00 - HND 06:55 +1
AF283 HND 01:30 - CDG 06:20

but it's a codeshare and operated by JL.

BA flies their own metal (AFAIK):

BA7 LHR 08:05 - HND 04:55 +1
BA8 HND 06:25 - LHR 10:00

I don't know how popular this flight is. As London Airways they probably don't care about anybody who cannot make the 08:05 flight from LHR. Almost everybody will need to stay near the airport or spend the night at the airport for the 06:25 departure.

I would like to try an overnight flight (instead of a very "short" overnight flight EUR-JPN, or a long day flight JPN-EUR) but BA's timing doesn't seem attractive to me.
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Old Oct 21, 2011, 5:20 pm
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I've seen very beautiful scene outside the window when arriving into Japan.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thatguy...57624816239757

Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
AF has:

AF282 CDG 11:00 - HND 06:55 +1
AF283 HND 01:30 - CDG 06:20

but it's a codeshare and operated by JL.

BA flies their own metal (AFAIK):

BA7 LHR 08:05 - HND 04:55 +1
BA8 HND 06:25 - LHR 10:00

I don't know how popular this flight is. As London Airways they probably don't care about anybody who cannot make the 08:05 flight from LHR. Almost everybody will need to stay near the airport or spend the night at the airport for the 06:25 departure.

I would like to try an overnight flight (instead of a very "short" overnight flight EUR-JPN, or a long day flight JPN-EUR) but BA's timing doesn't seem attractive to me.
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Old Oct 22, 2011, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by jimyvr
On a side note, DUS EWR and DUS ORD will switch to 343 from 01JUN12
Makes sense so they can swap around the aircraft between ORD, EWR and NRT!
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