New M&M award chart from 03JAN2011 in C & F [rumour confirmed]
Nov 30, 2010, 7:46 am
#76
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Will be interesting to see what sort of marketing lingo they'll use to sell the "enchantments". Probably a couple big paragraphs on the "new great features" like one way and stopover and a small print "We also adjusted the mileage price on some of the mileage awards to better represent the outstanding quality of our premium offerings"...
Nov 30, 2010, 7:57 am
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Nov 30, 2010, 8:45 am
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Business class to USA
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AF = 100,000
Nov 30, 2010, 8:54 am
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Just look at this post and quote the links provided. Especially the BMJ one. You will get your money.
Is LH required to only give 1 months notice? According to their T&Cs you have one month after they have informed you in writing to accept or decline the changes.
Nov 30, 2010, 9:10 am
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ok, I decline the changes in writing. What happens next? I lose all my miles, or do I get some monetary reimbursement for the current miles in my account or?
Nov 30, 2010, 9:49 am
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Nov 30, 2010, 10:15 am
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In regard to the increases I always found the mileage requirement for West coast US and South Africa quite reasonable (bordering on cheap) in the past, and this has now been addressed by M&M.
13h flights in business class to Cape Town or 12h's to LAX are surely worth 105000 miles, are they not? Better value than the flights to both asian zones for sure. Also flights to Muscat or Dubai for 70T instead of 60T seems ok.
Someone mentioned the tendency to less seats in First, so making this experience more exclusive justifies an increase too, even though I admit I would like to see a new F in all aircrafts.
Overall I think that LH has just ironed out some inconsistencies, let's not forget any program is undergoing some changes every few years. I appreciate that most posters feel different about it though.
13h flights in business class to Cape Town or 12h's to LAX are surely worth 105000 miles, are they not? Better value than the flights to both asian zones for sure. Also flights to Muscat or Dubai for 70T instead of 60T seems ok.
Someone mentioned the tendency to less seats in First, so making this experience more exclusive justifies an increase too, even though I admit I would like to see a new F in all aircrafts.
Overall I think that LH has just ironed out some inconsistencies, let's not forget any program is undergoing some changes every few years. I appreciate that most posters feel different about it though.
Nov 30, 2010, 10:35 am
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In regard to the increases I always found the mileage requirement for West coast US and South Africa quite reasonable (bordering on cheap) in the past, and this has now been addressed by M&M.
13h flights in business class to Cape Town or 12h's to LAX are surely worth 105000 miles, are they not? Better value than the flights to both asian zones for sure. Also flights to Muscat or Dubai for 70T instead of 60T seems ok.
Someone mentioned the tendency to less seats in First, so making this experience more exclusive justifies an increase too, even though I admit I would like to see a new F in all aircrafts.
Overall I think that LH has just ironed out some inconsistencies, let's not forget any program is undergoing some changes every few years. I appreciate that most posters feel different about it though.
13h flights in business class to Cape Town or 12h's to LAX are surely worth 105000 miles, are they not? Better value than the flights to both asian zones for sure. Also flights to Muscat or Dubai for 70T instead of 60T seems ok.
Someone mentioned the tendency to less seats in First, so making this experience more exclusive justifies an increase too, even though I admit I would like to see a new F in all aircrafts.
Overall I think that LH has just ironed out some inconsistencies, let's not forget any program is undergoing some changes every few years. I appreciate that most posters feel different about it though.
F awards were increased to 140k at the same time from 120k (IIRC?).
Also the earnings side was enhanced significantly, such as exec. bonus on base miles only not total COS miles, domestic C stripped from 2500 to 1875, etc, etc...
Therefore it is not ironing out inconsitencies but plane and simple just a devaluation.
Nov 30, 2010, 10:42 am
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EU-USA in C used to be 105k before the 2004 enhancements. This was basically the only award which got reduced to 90k after the cull, probably so that they could show an improvement of the program somewhere?
F awards were increased to 140k at the same time from 120k (IIRC?).
Also the earnings side was enhanced significantly, such as exec. bonus on base miles only not total COS miles, domestic C stripped from 2500 to 1875, etc, etc...
Therefore it is not ironing out inconsitencies but plane and simple just a devaluation.
F awards were increased to 140k at the same time from 120k (IIRC?).
Also the earnings side was enhanced significantly, such as exec. bonus on base miles only not total COS miles, domestic C stripped from 2500 to 1875, etc, etc...
Therefore it is not ironing out inconsitencies but plane and simple just a devaluation.
Nov 30, 2010, 10:45 am
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Executive bonus was too generous beforehand, domestic C giving 2500 should have never been introduced in the first place, and other generous miles offers won't be repeated. I still think that as long as LH keeps the 2 year quali period and the Z class upgradable, there will be enough clients who will retain their business with Star.
Nov 30, 2010, 10:49 am
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Well, it's not.
Clients are always very vocal in displaying their displeasure with enhancements but will very often not follow up in moving on for a variety of reasons, some of them very silly or minor.
This is surely what LH hopes for this time around.
Does anybody know the answer to the stopover question for one way awards?
Clients are always very vocal in displaying their displeasure with enhancements but will very often not follow up in moving on for a variety of reasons, some of them very silly or minor.
This is surely what LH hopes for this time around.
Does anybody know the answer to the stopover question for one way awards?
Nov 30, 2010, 10:56 am
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Nov 30, 2010, 4:38 pm
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Executive bonus was too generous beforehand, domestic C giving 2500 should have never been introduced in the first place, and other generous miles offers won't be repeated. I still think that as long as LH keeps the 2 year quali period and the Z class upgradable, there will be enough clients who will retain their business with Star.