New First class retrofit info
Sep 27, 2010, 7:23 am
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The first post just says two A346s will be refitted this winter but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they are MUC-based. According to this list 13 A346s are based in MUC and 11 in FRA.
Interesting to see in your link that the B744 Y retrofit only takes two weeks while 8 new F seats apparently take 28 days, or at least that's what they want to make us believe
Sep 27, 2010, 4:15 pm
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The first post just says two A346s will be refitted this winter but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they are MUC-based. According to this list 13 A346s are based in MUC and 11 in FRA.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
And here we go again blabbing about how inefficient and slow and what-have-you regarding the F upgrade. If you're so confident that it can take so much less time. Why don't you apply for a job with LH and lead their modification team, I'm sure that'd be extremely grateful to have you onboard because you'd manage to save them a pretty penny on all those man-hours, not to mention the downtime incurred for the planes themselves.
Sep 27, 2010, 4:31 pm
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No, it's not written on this thread. I said it on my thread here.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
Sep 27, 2010, 6:37 pm
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No, it's not written on this thread. I said it on my thread here.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
And here we go again blabbing about how inefficient and slow and what-have-you regarding the F upgrade. If you're so confident that it can take so much less time. Why don't you apply for a job with LH and lead their modification team, I'm sure that'd be extremely grateful to have you onboard because you'd manage to save them a pretty penny on all those man-hours, not to mention the downtime incurred for the planes themselves.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
And here we go again blabbing about how inefficient and slow and what-have-you regarding the F upgrade. If you're so confident that it can take so much less time. Why don't you apply for a job with LH and lead their modification team, I'm sure that'd be extremely grateful to have you onboard because you'd manage to save them a pretty penny on all those man-hours, not to mention the downtime incurred for the planes themselves.
Sep 27, 2010, 11:15 pm
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Sep 28, 2010, 7:46 am
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No, it's not written on this thread. I said it on my thread here.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...rade-plan.html
And here we go again blabbing about how inefficient and slow and what-have-you regarding the F upgrade. If you're so confident that it can take so much less time. Why don't you apply for a job with LH and lead their modification team, I'm sure that'd be extremely grateful to have you onboard because you'd manage to save them a pretty penny on all those man-hours, not to mention the downtime incurred for the planes themselves.
I believe this is horribly slow until you show me an official manual or something that proves that it takes 28 days and that there is no way to do it faster. It's not just about the 28 days but also about the 5 years to do the entire fleet. The first parameter of course affects the later.
What makes you the expert? Are you personally involved? Are you the smarty that figured out it would take 28 days?
Sep 28, 2010, 8:24 am
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i have and i can tell you that it can easy take 28 days to make all those mods to the rest of the fleet because its extensive. way more extensive than just putting in a bit of new carpet, new IFE and 8 new seats...
nevertheless, 5 yrs for the entire fleet is still way too long...
Sep 28, 2010, 9:08 am
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have you seen the new F in person?! no!? ok then...
i have and i can tell you that it can easy take 28 days to make all those mods to the rest of the fleet because its extensive. way more extensive than just putting in a bit of new carpet, new IFE and 8 new seats...
nevertheless, 5 yrs for the entire fleet is still way too long...
i have and i can tell you that it can easy take 28 days to make all those mods to the rest of the fleet because its extensive. way more extensive than just putting in a bit of new carpet, new IFE and 8 new seats...
nevertheless, 5 yrs for the entire fleet is still way too long...
Furthermore, three planes during the winter probably means they do even less in the summer when fleet utilization is usually better due to heavy travel season, meaning less times for planes to be taken out of service.
Sep 28, 2010, 9:34 am
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No, I have not seen new F in person. So does the majority. I don't think it takes somebody to see this thing in person to make an educated guess that 28 days is a little long. I know this is not an easy convert but still, nobody has proven that is takes 28 days or quoted a reliable source! Until then, my guess (no, I am not an airline technician but I have some knowledge to production and manufacturing processes, etc.) is that 28 days sound too
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Sep 28, 2010, 11:41 am
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As for the reason, I don't have a theory and actually I don't care.
Sep 28, 2010, 12:10 pm
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Sep 28, 2010, 1:28 pm
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From a competitive environment I'd still argue that 5 years for a complete refit is too long.
Sep 28, 2010, 1:46 pm
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It may well be that LH has no other option as it is simply that complicated but given the fact that the old LH F is indeed quite old (though I still very much like it
) it would be good if they do the transition much faster.
Sep 28, 2010, 2:12 pm
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I remember the flynet equipment fitting some 5 years ago took 14 days each 