The Miles and More Forum Biergarten Thread — Everybody is Welcome
Feb 5, 2019, 8:41 pm
#1756
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stoke on Trent, UK (MAN ), BUE, BKK, DBV
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Thank you putting things into perspective. I have had the "pleasure" of visiting the Aspire Lounge 26 at AMS several times and never had the desire to go back. If the one at MAN is just slightly better, I will at least give it a try and check it out, partially out of "research interest" to find the worst lounge around. 
While your there just keep telling yourself, next Stop FCT
Feb 5, 2019, 10:17 pm
#1757
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Geneva
Programs: LX SEN, AFKL Platinum, BA Bronze,
Posts: 5,627
Dont remember if I got specific feed back, but obviously they heard all the complaints and will open the new *A lounge in a month.
Feb 5, 2019, 10:27 pm
#1758
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We need to pray for a *A lounge at MAN
Feb 5, 2019, 11:26 pm
#1759
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Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
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Although I can't find much to love about Aspire, I can usually find somewhere comfortable to sit. There are views of the apron. The crew there are mostly a cheerful and helpful lot. And the soup can be really good. Fellow guests can be a rowdy bunch though.
The truth is, if you have time to kill at MAN the Aspire lounge is (probably) a nicer place to be than the other cafes/restaurants/bars or public areas.
That's more a comment on the general awfulness of the MAN milieu than praise for Aspire
Feb 6, 2019, 12:08 am
#1761
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
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Now I am really curious what it‘s like. IIRC, I haven’t been to MAN since Business Air stopped flying their Saab 340s between MAN and ABZ. So it’s been quite a while ...
Feb 6, 2019, 2:36 am
#1762
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Feb 6, 2019, 6:09 am
#1763
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
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Probably, but I cannot remember.
Just remember that i had to run through the airport several times, as I often came in late from ABZ and had to catch the CRJ to MUC. (it was a CRJ and not an Airbus back then)
Just remember that i had to run through the airport several times, as I often came in late from ABZ and had to catch the CRJ to MUC. (it was a CRJ and not an Airbus back then)
Feb 11, 2019, 5:38 am
#1764
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,161
What would you do in my situation?
Two weeks vacation in August 2019 in the East Coast of the US&A, arriving in NYC, departing from IAD. I need to earn status miles, family is used to fly business.
Option A
Fly out on LH A359 MUC-EWR on Friday, come back two weeks later from IAD on LH A359 direct flight.
Cost: 2256€ in P return for me, 275k miles plus 1670€ in fantasy surcharges (~6700€ total)
Payback: 10400 status and ~ 12500 award miles for me.
Pro: direct flight, no hassle, EWR, kids happy with IFE, A359, burning miles (before May inflation/devaluation and child #1 turning 12 in December)
Con: no real miles, may be difficult to get to 100k status by end of the year
Option B
TAP out Friday afternoon arrive in JFK, return from IAD two weeks later only on Sunday, arriving on Monday evening. A339 (A330neo) with new recaro seat that will also come to LH in 2020+ and is supposedly so good that it earned LH 5* already.
Cost: ~6870€ total for the 4 of us (books in J)
Payback: ~17900 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will get thus also get FTL till Feb 2022): ~71600 miles total
Pro: new A339, new business seat, nice portugese food, lots of miles and FTL status for family members
Con: a lot of extra expense, 3h flight to LIS, two extra vacation days before and after two week holiday, IFE not so stellar
Option C
SAS out Saturday morning via ARN to EWR, return two weeks later saturday evening from IAD. Nice SAS Vantage plus seat, scandi catering that appeals to nordic wife.
Cost: ~ 6420€ for all in Z
Payback: ~ 16000 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will almost get close to FTL): ~64000 miles total
Pro: scandic service (happy wife, happy life), less out of pocket expense than B, times better than B, status miles for all
Con: spending cash instead of miles, IFE so so
Two weeks vacation in August 2019 in the East Coast of the US&A, arriving in NYC, departing from IAD. I need to earn status miles, family is used to fly business.
Option A
Fly out on LH A359 MUC-EWR on Friday, come back two weeks later from IAD on LH A359 direct flight.
Cost: 2256€ in P return for me, 275k miles plus 1670€ in fantasy surcharges (~6700€ total)
Payback: 10400 status and ~ 12500 award miles for me.
Pro: direct flight, no hassle, EWR, kids happy with IFE, A359, burning miles (before May inflation/devaluation and child #1 turning 12 in December)
Con: no real miles, may be difficult to get to 100k status by end of the year
Option B
TAP out Friday afternoon arrive in JFK, return from IAD two weeks later only on Sunday, arriving on Monday evening. A339 (A330neo) with new recaro seat that will also come to LH in 2020+ and is supposedly so good that it earned LH 5* already.
Cost: ~6870€ total for the 4 of us (books in J)
Payback: ~17900 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will get thus also get FTL till Feb 2022): ~71600 miles total
Pro: new A339, new business seat, nice portugese food, lots of miles and FTL status for family members
Con: a lot of extra expense, 3h flight to LIS, two extra vacation days before and after two week holiday, IFE not so stellar
Option C
SAS out Saturday morning via ARN to EWR, return two weeks later saturday evening from IAD. Nice SAS Vantage plus seat, scandi catering that appeals to nordic wife.
Cost: ~ 6420€ for all in Z
Payback: ~ 16000 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will almost get close to FTL): ~64000 miles total
Pro: scandic service (happy wife, happy life), less out of pocket expense than B, times better than B, status miles for all
Con: spending cash instead of miles, IFE so so
Feb 11, 2019, 5:51 am
#1765
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Geneva
Programs: LX SEN, AFKL Platinum, BA Bronze,
Posts: 5,627
What would you do in my situation?
Two weeks vacation in August 2019 in the East Coast of the US&A, arriving in NYC, departing from IAD. I need to earn status miles, family is used to fly business.
Option A
Fly out on LH A359 MUC-EWR on Friday, come back two weeks later from IAD on LH A359 direct flight.
Cost: 2256€ in P return for me, 275k miles plus 1670€ in fantasy surcharges (~6700€ total)
Payback: 10400 status and ~ 12500 award miles for me.
Pro: direct flight, no hassle, EWR, kids happy with IFE, A359, burning miles (before May inflation/devaluation and child #1 turning 12 in December)
Con: no real miles, may be difficult to get to 100k status by end of the year
Option B
TAP out Friday afternoon arrive in JFK, return from IAD two weeks later only on Sunday, arriving on Monday evening. A339 (A330neo) with new recaro seat that will also come to LH in 2020+ and is supposedly so good that it earned LH 5* already.
Cost: ~6870€ total for the 4 of us (books in J)
Payback: ~17900 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will get thus also get FTL till Feb 2022): ~71600 miles total
Pro: new A339, new business seat, nice portugese food, lots of miles and FTL status for family members
Con: a lot of extra expense, 3h flight to LIS, two extra vacation days before and after two week holiday, IFE not so stellar
Option C
SAS out Saturday morning via ARN to EWR, return two weeks later saturday evening from IAD. Nice SAS Vantage plus seat, scandi catering that appeals to nordic wife.
Cost: ~ 6420€ for all in Z
Payback: ~ 16000 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will almost get close to FTL): ~64000 miles total
Pro: scandic service (happy wife, happy life), less out of pocket expense than B, times better than B, status miles for all
Con: spending cash instead of miles, IFE so so
Two weeks vacation in August 2019 in the East Coast of the US&A, arriving in NYC, departing from IAD. I need to earn status miles, family is used to fly business.
Option A
Fly out on LH A359 MUC-EWR on Friday, come back two weeks later from IAD on LH A359 direct flight.
Cost: 2256€ in P return for me, 275k miles plus 1670€ in fantasy surcharges (~6700€ total)
Payback: 10400 status and ~ 12500 award miles for me.
Pro: direct flight, no hassle, EWR, kids happy with IFE, A359, burning miles (before May inflation/devaluation and child #1 turning 12 in December)
Con: no real miles, may be difficult to get to 100k status by end of the year
Option B
TAP out Friday afternoon arrive in JFK, return from IAD two weeks later only on Sunday, arriving on Monday evening. A339 (A330neo) with new recaro seat that will also come to LH in 2020+ and is supposedly so good that it earned LH 5* already.
Cost: ~6870€ total for the 4 of us (books in J)
Payback: ~17900 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will get thus also get FTL till Feb 2022): ~71600 miles total
Pro: new A339, new business seat, nice portugese food, lots of miles and FTL status for family members
Con: a lot of extra expense, 3h flight to LIS, two extra vacation days before and after two week holiday, IFE not so stellar
Option C
SAS out Saturday morning via ARN to EWR, return two weeks later saturday evening from IAD. Nice SAS Vantage plus seat, scandi catering that appeals to nordic wife.
Cost: ~ 6420€ for all in Z
Payback: ~ 16000 status and award miles each for all four of us (Wife and kids will almost get close to FTL): ~64000 miles total
Pro: scandic service (happy wife, happy life), less out of pocket expense than B, times better than B, status miles for all
Con: spending cash instead of miles, IFE so so
Feb 11, 2019, 6:28 am
#1767
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: AMS/RTM
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Feb 11, 2019, 7:05 am
#1768
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,161
Award miles by spend would be better in this case... The 2356€ total is 1800€ fare +412YQ +taxes, so should earn 13272 award miles (plus about 5400 award miles via the US M&M CC). Distance based (if booked on 016 stock) should be about 10400 miles.
Feb 11, 2019, 9:17 am
#1769
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,161
Final result:
Went for the LH option. 210k miles plus 1610€ fantasy charge for the family, 1800€ plus 541€ for my P ticket. Miles should be 4025+4246+25% exec for status and 2212*6 for award.
Went for the LH option. 210k miles plus 1610€ fantasy charge for the family, 1800€ plus 541€ for my P ticket. Miles should be 4025+4246+25% exec for status and 2212*6 for award.
Feb 11, 2019, 10:46 am
#1770
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,721