WSJ: LH To Launch A380 on FRA-JFK [merged first sheduled A380 destination thread]
Nov 10, 2009, 6:42 am
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The information/rumors on new F can be found in the M&M guide sticky in this forum as well (Post #3 IIRC).
Nov 17, 2009, 4:14 pm
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Well... I'm booked in First on Lufthansa 400/401 connecting in FRA to 740/741 to KIX. Hopefully I'll get lucky. 
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Nov 17, 2009, 5:06 pm
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Nov 17, 2009, 8:50 pm
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Any possibility for NRT route?
I have F award for LH710 next August.. hope something wonderful happens!
I have F award for LH710 next August.. hope something wonderful happens!
Nov 17, 2009, 10:47 pm
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September is good for New York - I keep my fingers crossed!
I wouldn't hold my breath for August and Tokyo...
The second and third destinations are rumoured to be JHB and PVG.
EXPO in Shanghai starts May 1, World Cup in S.A. starts in June with finals in July.
Delivery dates for the LH A380s in 2010 are:
D-AIMA 038 31.05.10
D-AIMB 041 30.06.10
D-AIMC 044 31.07.10
D-AIMD 048 30.09.10
Mr Mayrhuber confirmed that the first bird will fly to JFK. That might gonna happen in June. Next bird in July could fly to JNB. Third destination might be PVG. NRT might go A380 in March 2011...
I wouldn't hold my breath for August and Tokyo...
The second and third destinations are rumoured to be JHB and PVG.
EXPO in Shanghai starts May 1, World Cup in S.A. starts in June with finals in July.
Delivery dates for the LH A380s in 2010 are:
D-AIMA 038 31.05.10
D-AIMB 041 30.06.10
D-AIMC 044 31.07.10
D-AIMD 048 30.09.10
Mr Mayrhuber confirmed that the first bird will fly to JFK. That might gonna happen in June. Next bird in July could fly to JNB. Third destination might be PVG. NRT might go A380 in March 2011...
Nov 18, 2009, 1:31 am
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Nov 18, 2009, 1:38 am
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PVG having the Expo makes much more sense to me as a summer destination.
Nov 18, 2009, 1:51 am
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Nov 18, 2009, 2:22 am
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Nov 18, 2009, 2:38 am
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In particular August and September are most popular travel month.
Nov 18, 2009, 2:39 am
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Yes, but the NRT and PVG routes see the aircraft turned around in about two hours, so 1 aircraft is not enough by only a few hours per day (and once you have two, you can alternate them between JFK and NRT/PVG to make up the extra time). The flight to NRT leaves at 13:35 and the aircraft is scheduled to be back in FRA at 14:15 the next day, just under 25 hours later. That's not too bad.
At JNB, the aircraft spends an entire day sitting on the tarmac. After a 22:35 departure at FRA, arrival at JNB is around 10am, the flight back to FRA departs at 20:00, arriving FRA at 05:25. That is almost 31 hours, which is too much for it to be combined with a daily JFK roundtrip.
Given this, I could see LH going with this schedule once the second aircraft arrives:
Day 1:
Aircraft 1: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 2: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 2: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
Day 2:
Aircraft 1: LH711 NRT-FRA 09:35 - 14:15
Aircraft 2: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 1: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 1: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
Day 3:
Aircraft 2: LH711 NRT-FRA 09:35 - 14:15
Aircraft 1: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 2: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 2: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
And so on, basically a ping-pong FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA... for each aircraft. It's a little tight in terms of turnarounds for the NRT flight, but for a few weeks it should be sustainable.
Obviously, one of the flights cannot be daily A380 service, because the aircraft will have to go in for maintenance at some point. But I think this is a decent base to start from.
At JNB, the aircraft spends an entire day sitting on the tarmac. After a 22:35 departure at FRA, arrival at JNB is around 10am, the flight back to FRA departs at 20:00, arriving FRA at 05:25. That is almost 31 hours, which is too much for it to be combined with a daily JFK roundtrip.
Given this, I could see LH going with this schedule once the second aircraft arrives:
Day 1:
Aircraft 1: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 2: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 2: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
Day 2:
Aircraft 1: LH711 NRT-FRA 09:35 - 14:15
Aircraft 2: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 1: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 1: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
Day 3:
Aircraft 2: LH711 NRT-FRA 09:35 - 14:15
Aircraft 1: LH710 FRA-NRT 13:35 - 07:30+1
Aircraft 2: LH404 FRA-JFK 17:00 - 19:35
Aircraft 2: LH405 JFK-FRA 21:35 - 11:35+1
And so on, basically a ping-pong FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA... for each aircraft. It's a little tight in terms of turnarounds for the NRT flight, but for a few weeks it should be sustainable.
Obviously, one of the flights cannot be daily A380 service, because the aircraft will have to go in for maintenance at some point. But I think this is a decent base to start from.
Nov 18, 2009, 2:59 am
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Thanks, alex0683de. This was going to be my next project but you've done the work for me. 
I've certainly noticed the FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA rotation in the past.
AFAIK LH401 is more popular than LH405, though. Not sure about LH400 vs LH404. Will LH try to attract more pax to fly LH404/405 by introducing A380?
I've certainly noticed the FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA rotation in the past.AFAIK LH401 is more popular than LH405, though. Not sure about LH400 vs LH404. Will LH try to attract more pax to fly LH404/405 by introducing A380?
Nov 18, 2009, 3:45 am
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From a marketing point of view would it not make sense to use the A380 for the duration of the worldcup to Jo'burg? The demand would certainly be there.
Nov 18, 2009, 3:50 am
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Thanks, alex0683de. This was going to be my next project but you've done the work for me. I've certainly noticed the FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA rotation in the past.
AFAIK LH401 is more popular than LH405, though. Not sure about LH400 vs LH404. Will LH try to attract more pax to fly LH404/405 by introducing A380?
I've certainly noticed the FRA-NRT-FRA-JFK-FRA rotation in the past.AFAIK LH401 is more popular than LH405, though. Not sure about LH400 vs LH404. Will LH try to attract more pax to fly LH404/405 by introducing A380?
I also think LH400/LH401 would make a better prospect if seen on its own, but the timings do not work as well with other longhaul destinations once more aircraft arrive.
We'll see what LH decides. The timetable above is just a guess on my part.
Perhaps at some point in the future LH will even go double-daily A380 to JFK, especially if they manage to actually do something with that JetBlue investment they hold. Time will tell.