TATL Z-Fares: No more U/G's to F and no business class bonus miles!!

Old Oct 1, 09, 5:54 pm
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Exclamation TATL Z-Fares: No more U/G's to F and no business class bonus miles!!

Was just browsing through some ticket rules for TATL business class fares on LH and came across this:

Z CLASS FARES ARE NOT UPGRADABLE TO FIRST CLASS.
NEITHER MILEAGE NOR CERTIFICATES MAY BE USED TO
UPGRADE THIS FARE.
PASSENGERS WISHING TO HAVE THE OPTION TO UPGRADE
SHOULD PURCHASE C OR D CLASS PER THE RULES OF
THOSE SPECIFIC FARES.
CORPORATE VOLUME DISCOUNTS ARE ALSO NOT PERMITTED.
Z CLASS FARES ACCRUE BASE MILES AND ELITE STATUS
BONUS MILES BUT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CABIN/CLASS
OF SERVICE BONUS MILES.


I checked this for several TATL routes, both into Germany as well as to other European destinations and it seems to be true for each route that I checked.

If that's true (especially no class of service bonus miles), then it would be a major downside
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Old Oct 1, 09, 7:22 pm
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Originally Posted by berlinflyer View Post
I checked this for several TATL routes, both into Germany as well as to other European destinations and it seems to be true for each route that I checked.

If that's true (especially no class of service bonus miles), then it would be a major downside
This language in the fare rules has been around for many years. It documents the UA rules for Z fares and has never been applied to the LH earning / upgrade procedures.
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This language in the fare rules has been around for many years. It documents the UA rules for Z fares and has never been applied to the LH earning / upgrade procedures.
that correct, its been around for ages and only aplies to UAs MP...
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I am happy!
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happy...
Is this the start of a trend.
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Old Oct 1, 09, 10:13 pm
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As others said . . .

The part about Z flights not being upgradable only applies to flights operated by UA.

The part about not earning class of service bonus miles only applies to Mileage Plus.
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Is this the start of a trend.
its not a trend, its a lifestyle!
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well thats a relief, as I am flying out tomorrow on a tatl Z on LH....
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Originally Posted by hch View Post
This language in the fare rules has been around for many years. It documents the UA rules for Z fares and has never been applied to the LH earning / upgrade procedures.
I checked KVS for the following Z fare rules for JFK-FRA RT which apply to ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH:

ZRSMY21E
ZRSMY7E
ZRSMY5E
ZRSN30E
ZRAP30E
ZRSMY4E
ZRSN50E

and they all include the following:

Z CLASS FARES ACCRUE BASE MILES AND ELITE STATUS
BONUS MILES BUT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CABIN/CLASS
OF SERVICE BONUS MILES.

Am I reading this correctly?

P.S. I also checked FRA-JFK RT (i.e. originating in FRA) and did not find any statement about COS bonus miles. It looks like the "no COS bonus" rule only applies to fares ex-US.

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Old Oct 2, 09, 1:34 am
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Originally Posted by Ari View Post
As others said . . .

The part about Z flights not being upgradable only applies to flights operated by UA.
Beginning next year UA will allow upgrades from Z-fares using miles.
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Old Oct 2, 09, 1:39 am
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just to confirm what others said before:

I have been on 4 TATL Z Trips this year, got business miles for each of them and upgraded all of them.

will be on my next in 2 weeks and guess what: upgrade confirmed
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner View Post
I checked KVS for the following Z fare rules for JFK-FRA RT which apply to ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH:

ZRSMY21E
ZRSMY7E
ZRSMY5E
ZRSN30E
ZRAP30E
ZRSMY4E
ZRSN50E

and they all include the following:

Z CLASS FARES ACCRUE BASE MILES AND ELITE STATUS
BONUS MILES BUT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CABIN/CLASS
OF SERVICE BONUS MILES.

Am I reading this correctly?

P.S. I also checked FRA-JFK RT (i.e. originating in FRA) and did not find any statement about COS bonus miles. It looks like the "no COS bonus" rule only applies to fares ex-US.
You are reading this correctly but as all the other have said, this doesn't apply to M&M even so the fare rules seem to indicate this.
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You are reading this correctly but as all the other have said, this doesn't apply to M&M even so the fare rules seem to indicate this.
Thanks! That's good to know since I'll be flying with Z fare ex-US for the Star Mega Do.
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Yawn !
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Yawn !
But miles will probably be credited to BD.
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Originally Posted by berlinflyer View Post
Was just browsing through some ticket rules for TATL business class fares on LH and came across this:

Z CLASS FARES ARE NOT UPGRADABLE TO FIRST CLASS.
NEITHER MILEAGE NOR CERTIFICATES MAY BE USED TO
UPGRADE THIS FARE.
PASSENGERS WISHING TO HAVE THE OPTION TO UPGRADE
SHOULD PURCHASE C OR D CLASS PER THE RULES OF
THOSE SPECIFIC FARES.
CORPORATE VOLUME DISCOUNTS ARE ALSO NOT PERMITTED.
Z CLASS FARES ACCRUE BASE MILES AND ELITE STATUS
BONUS MILES BUT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR CABIN/CLASS
OF SERVICE BONUS MILES.


I checked this for several TATL routes, both into Germany as well as to other European destinations and it seems to be true for each route that I checked.

If that's true (especially no class of service bonus miles), then it would be a major downside
Don't worry, be happy!

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