LAWA reveals Delta terminal shuffle plan
It has been reported for a while by various media that Delta is moving to T2/3. Now LAWA has confirmed the move with presentation to other airlines.
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually I don't want to steal Brian Summers' image without permission so click over to his website to see the map.
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Also discussed in a DL thread.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...al-move-5.html
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 26502885)
[*]Alaska will be in T5 and T6.[/LIST]
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Originally Posted by radiowell
(Post 26502990)
THIS will be interesting (which one? or both? or slots divested?) |
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 26503291)
I thought it may be a good idea to have a broader discussion in the LA forum with other airlines involved.
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Another intrigue: what happens to the "eagle's nest"? Gone as Cranky predicted?
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Originally Posted by radiowell
(Post 26503554)
Another intrigue: what happens to the "eagle's nest"? Gone as Cranky predicted?
In order for LAWA to fulfill that agreement with AA, it seemed obvious that LAWA will ask Delta to vacate T5. And that was how the whole Delta moving to T2/3 rumor started a year ago. Now it is not rumored anymore. :cool: |
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 26503818)
That was already set in stone in the AA-LAWA agreement. In exchange for vacating the hanger and other properties on the airport ground to make way for MSC, AA was granted the certain number of mainline gates in exchange for all the Eagle gates.
In order for LAWA to fulfill that agreement with AA, it seemed obvious that LAWA will ask Delta to vacate T5. And that was how the whole Delta moving to T2/3 rumor started a year ago. Now it is not rumored anymore. :cool: |
Delta rep made a presentation at my work today. He said DL is looking to complete the move to T2 and T3 by Summer 2017, pending LA city council approval on renovation plan and compensation to other airlines, which Delta expects the city council will approve in May or June.
After that, there will be a phased-move with airlines moving one at a time from T2 to TBIT, and from T3 to T5 or T6 while Delta shifts some flight operations to T3, until all the flights are moved by Summer 2017. Renovation (probably just interim reno) of T3 will begin as soon as Delta has a lease on the terminal. A complete rebuild of T3 may have to wait until MSC is done so Delta can temporary use some TBIT North and/or TBIT MSC gates. To facilitate transit to Virgin Atlantic and other SkyTeam partners prior to the rebuild, the plan is to have air-side bus connection between T2, T3, and TBIT until T3 rebuild is completed. |
So as of today:
T1 - 15 gates - WN T2 - 12 gates - DL, plus AF, AM, KL, VS (is anyone else from ST not in TBIT?) T3 - 11 gates - DL, plus AF, AM, KL, VS (is anyone else from ST not in TBIT?) T4 - 15 gates (once 44 is no longer a bus terminal) - AA, plus 2 QF flights T5 - 15 gates - AA (4), VX (6), HA using common (5) T6 - 15 gates - AS (6), NK (3), B6 (2), AC using common (4) T7 - 11 gates - UA T8 - 9 gates - UA Or, by major airlines: AA - 23 (15 T4, + 4 each TBIT & T5) AS - 12 UA - 20 WN - 15 DL - 23 So, it seems to me the logical answer is to swap the cats & dogs from T6 to T5, with T6 being AS+VX (12) and AC (3), with AC's checkin and baggage being in T7 handled by UA; that would leave T5 shared between AA (4), HA (??), B6 (2), NK (3) and space for a new startup at the common gates. Also, if TBIT continues to grow, that lets LAWA move AA from TBIT to T5's common gates. |
Originally Posted by CO FF
(Post 26669295)
So as of today:
T1 - 15 gates - WN T2 - 12 gates - DL, plus AF, AM, KL, VS (is anyone else from ST not in TBIT?) T3 - 11 gates - DL, plus AF, AM, KL, VS (is anyone else from ST not in TBIT?) T4 - 15 gates (once 44 is no longer a bus terminal) - AA, plus 2 QF flights T5 - 15 gates - AA (4), VX (6), HA using common (5) T6 - 15 gates - AS (6), NK (3), B6 (2), AC using common (4) T7 - 11 gates - UA T8 - 9 gates - UA Or, by major airlines: AA - 23 (15 T4, + 4 each TBIT & T5) AS - 12 UA - 20 WN - 15 DL - 23 So, it seems to me the logical answer is to swap the cats & dogs from T6 to T5, with T6 being AS+VX (12) and AC (3), with AC's checkin and baggage being in T7 handled by UA; that would leave T5 shared between AA (4), HA (??), B6 (2), NK (3) and space for a new startup at the common gates. Also, if TBIT continues to grow, that lets LAWA move AA from TBIT to T5's common gates. QF is all in TBIT, no more BNE departures from T4. AS+VX will probably end up together in T6 but that doesn't mean all the "cats and dogs" will be in T5. There will probably be some contractions (e.g. LAX-SEA) once the merger is finished so AS-VX may not need 12 gates. Also, AA's deal with LAWA includes pulling down Eagle's nest so it may have preferential use for more than just 4 gates in T5 (but 4 gates is the minimum - just swapping them from T6 to T5). I think AC will prefer to be in T6 which is closer to UA but T5 is not a deal breaker... it's still an improvement over T2. |
I guess this means QR will go to TBIT.
Why did they ever end up in T2 to start with? |
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 26508655)
After that, there will be a phased-move with airlines moving one at a time from T2 to TBIT, and from T3 to T5 or T6 while Delta shifts some flight operations to T3, until all the flights are moved by Summer 2017. Renovation (probably just interim reno) of T3 will begin as soon as Delta has a lease on the terminal. A complete rebuild of T3 may have to wait until MSC is done so Delta can temporary use some TBIT North and/or TBIT MSC gates.
Originally Posted by OskiBear
(Post 26686572)
I guess this means QR will go to TBIT.
Why did they ever end up in T2 to start with? BTW, this isn't on LAWA's BOAC agenda for 6/2. Maybe 6/16 -23? |
LAWA already approve it. It's going to the City Council now.
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The matter is item 16 of the agenda of the Special Open Session of the City of Los Angeles Board of Airport Commissioners that is scheduled for Wednesday, July 20, 2016, at 2:00 pm.
Here is a link to a PDF of the the Report to the Board of Airport Commissioners that was submitted by Deborah Flint, Chief Executive Officer - Los Angeles World Airports. |
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