wahooflyer

I spent a few hours near LAX this afternoon, and noticed that planes were taking off toward the east and landing from the west.

This is the complete opposite of the way LAX normally runs; takeoffs almost always go west toward the ocean (for noise abatement?) and planes make their descent from the east, over the city of Los Angeles, onto the runways.

Could the reversal have something to do with the weather today? It's 55°F, overcast with low clouds and rain showers, but not particularly windy.

Check the landings/takeoffs out for yourself at www4.passur.com/lax.html .

I'm sure someone here knows the answer!

number_6

Wind direction has the final say in runway selection. There was enough wind to require reversing the traffic direction (something they really don't like to do for lots of reasons). Windspeed at altitude may have been higher than on the ground, if you think there was no wind at all.

MDSD

It's usually the wind pattern and although the winds don't seem high, the NOAA synopsis has our current weather as unstable. Often with Santa Ana winds (which is not the case now) this will happen.
It's a strange feeling: couple of months ago I was on a flight SJC-LAX and the pilot circled way out to sea to come in over the beach; lots of pax were looking around uneasily, especially when we lost sight of land.

olympicnut

I have flown out of LAX forever and last weekend was the first time I have EVER taken off towards the east. I must say as dorky as this sounds, it was pretty cool (mostly because it was something different). That and it shaved a few minutes off the flight since we didnt have to make that u-turn over the Pacific. And it was a blustery rainy day too that day as well. Oh can can I just say how OVER this rain I am??? But I digress

Peetah

I've done my fair share of flights into and out of LAX and it all depends on how the wind is blowing that determines the landing pattern. Same goes with ONT. So long as they take off or land from the east or west, I'll be at ease.

But I'll be ******** bricks the minute they think about taking off or landing from the north or south.

WHBM

Runway direction is determined primarily by wind direction at ground level (wind higher up is not relevant). There is a small tolerance (typically 5 knots) for aircraft to have a tailwind, then you go the opposite way. In some places the weather means it's a 50-50 chance which way you go, others like LAX have weather usually from the same direction.

But the opposite direction certainly gets used at LAX. When you land there in the normal westerly direction, as the aircraft turns off the end of the runway look at all the tyre marks of aircraft landing easterly. They're always there.

If there's anything unusual about an approach which might unnerve regular passengers most professional pilots would make an announcement to the cabin beforehand.

Droneklax

Weather's been totally out of whack lately, which a lot of wind from the East/SE.

On a recent landing from the East Coast, we were in the clouds from the onset of descent until about 300 ft, it felt like we went all the way to Honolulu to start our approach on our 06L landing. People appeared quite nervous not knowing what was going on.

dbuckho

The reverse pattern has been happening since Friday. In addition to flying out of LAX a lot, my office faces towards the airport and my house is near the Santa Monica airport which follows the same direction, so I am usually in tune with the takeoff/landing directions. I think these are maybe days 7,8, and 9 that I can remember the reverse pattern being used all day long in two years out here.

Herb687

Used to be that late at night at LAX they used a head-on traffic flow for noise abatement - both landings and takeoffs over the ocean. Land on runways 6/7, departures off of 24/25. Do they still do that at LAX in the wee hours of the morning?

JerryFF

Aircraft land and takeoff into the wind to minimize ground speed at touchdown or liftoff. If you land with a 20 mph tailwind, your groundspeed is 40 mph faster than if you had landed into the wind, the landing itself is that much more difficult, and it takes a lot longer to stop. Same argument for takeoff - longer ground roll to reach liftoff airspeed and faster groundspeed at liftoff.

rufus102

Wow - I've never heard of such a thing. ATC better be extra careful....

moondog

i believe that ont and lax are alternates (same runway orientation). lgb and sna also have similar runway orientations (1/19?) iirc.

craz

Must be cause of the winds. Landed the reg way on 2/10. Took off Eastward last Thurs 2/17. It was nice to see some parts of the city I usually dont, especially the trails I hike on in the Hollywood Hills eg Runyon canyon.

WHBM

Actually the night-time opposing direction operation is, of course, completely safely managed, inbound aircraft are usually landed on the north side runway pair (6L/6R), with a long straight run in over the sea, and departing aircraft leave from the south side runways (25L/25R) with a left turn at the coast to head away and south. There's plenty of separation between the parallel runway groups for this (a mile) and it's more straightforward than, for example, the intersecting runway operations at Chicago O'Hare, Boston or wherever. However airlines will have a tailwind limit which they cannot exceed. LAX has good long runways which helps with any higher landing speed.

wahooflyer

Thanks for all your replies!

As of 2:00 p.m. PST or thereabouts, takeoffs and landings at LAX are back in their usual directions.

The sun's actually shining now (yay!) but it doesn't feel any less windy to me than it did yesterday. Interesting that just a light wind can cause a change in landing and takeoff patterns.