LAX T4-T5 connector tunnel (now open)
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Ah, I missed that. I recall reading some FAQs where LAWA responded to "Why not build a tunnel to connect the TBIT West Concourse?" with "the bridge would be cheaper than building a tunnel." Oh well, less expensive and Los Angeles airport construction are like oil and water; if there's an expensive option, LAWA will choose that one.
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So, did we have any deeper discussion elsewhere about AA at T3 or is it just continues to be an old diagram with potential for US after combined operations?
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5735946/
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-ai...ove-t1-t3.html
Because of TBIT, there is no good way to get from T4 to T3.
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http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/5735946/
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-ai...ove-t1-t3.html
Because of TBIT, there is no good way to get from T4 to T3.
Rasheed
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One of the computer-generated renderings of the new T-4 to TBIT connector building shows an almost identical building on the north side of TBIT to connect it to T-3. Don't know the timeline or whether there's a realistic chance it ever gets built.
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In the wake of September 11, 2001, frequent checkpoint security "failures" resulted in the evacuation and rescreening of multiple LAX terminals even though the "failure" was at T-4 or T-5 or T-6, etc. The fear-mongers said that because of the tunnels, all connected terminals had to be re-screened.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
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As to the bus service between T4 and the other terminals, it will be unidirectional. Only the airside bridge between T4 and TBIT will be bi-directional to facilitate international/domestic connections between T4 and TBIT. Remember as well that AA plans to move all of its international ops (and perhaps some domestic ops) to TBIT by 2014 when all the gates become operational.
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In the wake of September 11, 2001, frequent checkpoint security "failures" resulted in the evacuation and rescreening of multiple LAX terminals even though the "failure" was at T-4 or T-5 or T-6, etc. The fear-mongers said that because of the tunnels, all connected terminals had to be re-screened.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
Either way, I think LAWA doesn't have any position or much say on reopening the tunnel. It is up to AA and Delta to work out their differences.
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I was there and played a significant role in the decision. There were good reasons for it. It would appear that the problems have been addressed. And, no, I'm not saying what they were.
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In the wake of September 11, 2001, frequent checkpoint security "failures" resulted in the evacuation and rescreening of multiple LAX terminals even though the "failure" was at T-4 or T-5 or T-6, etc. The fear-mongers said that because of the tunnels, all connected terminals had to be re-screened.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
I don't recall who, exactly, gave the order to close the tunnels but IIRC, all of the south side tunnels were locked in late 2001. In the years since, however, all of the tunnels were re-opened except for the T-4 to T-5 tunnel. With AS now in T-6, I'd vote to re-open the T-4 tunnel.
I can touch briefly on one 2001-2002 problem - a security breach at T-4, under the protocols then in effect, could result in dumping and re-screening the entire South side (Terminals 4-8) under certain conditions and, in fact, that did happen more than once. Recovering from that impacted thousands of people at LAX, impacted connections across the country, took a lot of resources to resolve and was quite costly. Several solutions were brought forth that would have kept the tunnels open, but entities other than LAWA resisted them for their own reasons. That left tunnel closure as the last resort, ultimately being the only choice left and it was both imposed and accepted by default.
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However, you have the "gates of doom" between T5 and T6 already. I don't see how this is any different between T4 and T5. If you want to buy yourself more time have gates of doom on either side of the tunnel so that the far gate can be shut once sterility is breached.
On a side note, I hate the "I know why they were but I can't tell you" type responses. If you can't answer the question, then don't.
On a side note, I hate the "I know why they were but I can't tell you" type responses. If you can't answer the question, then don't.
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However, you have the "gates of doom" between T5 and T6 already. I don't see how this is any different between T4 and T5. If you want to buy yourself more time have gates of doom on either side of the tunnel so that the far gate can be shut once sterility is breached.
On a side note, I hate the "I know why they were but I can't tell you" type responses. If you can't answer the question, then don't.
On a side note, I hate the "I know why they were but I can't tell you" type responses. If you can't answer the question, then don't.
Sorry you don't like the "I can't tell you," but I can't. And, I did answer the question, subject to some very real limitations. The answer is "There were good reasons at the time." The fact that you don't get to personally see the reasons so you can decide if they met your personal standards is immaterial.
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Part of the problem was in actually getting the gates closed. They don't just come crashing down accompanied by a klaxon sounding. Somebody has to specifically and physically do it. A second problem was in communicating the need to close them. There were delays that resulted in "barn door closed after the horse is gone" and reluctance to adopt proposed solutions. But, those were 2001-2002 problems and may or may not account for 2013 closure.
Sorry you don't like the "I can't tell you," but I can't. And, I did answer the question, subject to some very real limitations. The answer is "There were good reasons at the time." The fact that you don't get to personally see the reasons so you can decide if they met your personal standards is immaterial.
Sorry you don't like the "I can't tell you," but I can't. And, I did answer the question, subject to some very real limitations. The answer is "There were good reasons at the time." The fact that you don't get to personally see the reasons so you can decide if they met your personal standards is immaterial.
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This would help with xfers and lounge access
Hope something happens. Those shuttle buses are slllow at LAX. Remember T-3 to T-6
Hope something happens. Those shuttle buses are slllow at LAX. Remember T-3 to T-6